Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

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Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#1  Postby leo25 » Thu Jan 16, 2014 4:00 pm

One of my favorites. Agave parryi, v. truncata variegated

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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#2  Postby GreekDesert » Thu Jan 16, 2014 9:37 pm

Another variegated Agave parryi var. truncata
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#3  Postby leo25 » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:19 am

Very nice clon, is your plant?
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#4  Postby GreekDesert » Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:32 am

No, i took the photo in the biggest private Agave collection of Europe...in Belgium.
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#5  Postby WhalesToungueAgave » Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:00 pm

Here is my Agave Parryi Truncata var. Varigated
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#6  Postby Spination » Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:53 pm

A group shot of my first five - four years ago.
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Four years later (2018), same 5 in the new group shot, but bigger, and a couple more acquired along the way. Top one, and four in a row below the next two are the original five.
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There's a few like this, with 3 colors. There's the green, the yellow, and big blue stripes here and there than run the length of some leaves
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Top view of another with the random blue stripes
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#7  Postby DesertDweller » Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:08 pm

Spotted these clones from Rancho (RSN) today, 3-gallon pots. Over $180 a piece! Too rich for my blood. :shock:

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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#8  Postby Spination » Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:36 am

For the size, I think that's a very good deal, all considered.
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#9  Postby DesertDweller » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:04 am

Spination wrote:For the size, I think that's a very good deal, all considered.


Perhaps. But Rancho sells these to the nursery for $84/each. I thought 125% markup was reserved for furniture and jewelry? Guys down the street, a smaller operation no less, sell 3-gallon Rancho agaves at about 10%-20% markup. Granted, everyone's business is different, but you can't help but feel you're being bent over with that kind of pricing. :shock:
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#10  Postby Gee.S » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:14 am

I've had one for years. It's about 6" across. Don't waste your money. I have a Sunspot, too. It's about 8" across. Just junk.
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#11  Postby DesertDweller » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:18 am

Are these stingy with offsets? I checked every one of the 3 or 4 pots they had and didn't see a single one.
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#12  Postby Gee.S » Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:21 am

Sunspot offsets, but not the truncata.
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#13  Postby Spination » Sun Feb 11, 2018 12:08 pm

Of my specimens pictured above, the sizes in descending order are 13", 12", 11", 10" (x 2), and then smaller. None are yet of size to pup yet, although I am hopeful this will change for the largest 3 in the next couple of years. Also, I'm contemplating coring one (??? undecided) to force propagates (but it does seems like sacrilege to do that to one of these ::wink:: ). In spite of TC specimens having invaded the market within the last number of years, it's apparent that demand has still outstripped supply, judging from prices achieved in competition for available plants on Ebay. I let a few go on Ebay this last year to thin my collection and make more space for other things, and the last in December went for $102.50 - a plant 5" in diameter, from tip to tip. Personally, if I were in the market to acquire any more, I would gladly pay $180 for a large one, rather than $100 for one less than 1/2 the size, and at least 5 years of growing left to get there.

Regarding the markup, I think it's not too relevant. First, RSN products are of limited availability. I never see anything RSN up here in the Bay Area. You guys are lucky they make it to Arizona, but I think that's a function of conducive climate for growing and associated interest in these types of succulents. Colder Northern California is probably not a great market... San Marcos Growers and Monterrey Bay Nursery is about all I see up here, and nothing ever as exotic/desirable as A. parryi Truncata Variegated. Also, in order to buy that for $84, one generally needs to be a nursery (or other associated business) to qualify for the wholesale price, and all that entails: A location that would provide a reasonable patronage to make business worthwhile (and the associated cost), licenses, ag inspections and so on...etc. Also, I don't think anyone is going to get rich on this particular 125% markup. When prices get up there in that range, potential customers are limited (Desert Dweller's comment about "too rich"). You can make a profit by volume, or by a greater markup which makes stocking something that probably won't move too fast feasible. Once the plant gets to that sort of size, it pretty much limits the customer base to drop ins, as shipping becomes problematic. So, it's entirely possible the nursery may sit on that inventory for a while before they move. Time and space are money, so probably not a real money-maker...

As far as junk - eye of the beholder. Exotics, rarities will always attract a following, and people who can will pay what it takes to get what is apparently irresistible. D))

Edit - regarding offsets, Monger has in the past informed that they need to get pretty big before they offset. For all I know, I could be waiting another 5 years before my largest finally decides to do it.

DD - I expect if I use my blue quite large Truncata as a proxy - offsetting was quite sparing when small. Now that it's almost 2' wide - it has suddenly gone wild. Out of seemingly nowhere, since last summer, there are 16 offsets of varying size by quick count growing all around. An apparent benefit too, is a big plant like this makes big offsets really, really fast! If two feet is the real benchmark, then I might be waiting 10 more years before my variegates get pupping. :roll:
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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#14  Postby Agavemonger » Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:53 am

Regarding Gee's comment that these plants are junk, I am sure he is referring to how glacially slow they are. Outdoors, you are lucky if they replace a lost leaf with a new leaf at the same speed that they lose them. I have four of these, and they are among the slowest plants I have. They always seem to look pretty good, just stuck in hibernation most of the year. I have many other truncata variegates; all are much, much faster than this clone (and I wouldn't consider them particularly fast; but at least they seem to "plug along"). I don't understand why this clone is so agonizingly slow; it seems to have plenty of normal tissue to produce energy, and doesn't seem to ever look bad (my plants are in full sun). I originally obtained them from Rancho Tissue Technologies as young cell-pack plants. I think that they may be a sort of "mutant" that resulted from normal truncata in the tissue-culture process. Sometimes these tissue-culture "aberrant" plants seem somehow "stuck"; they just don't seem to want to grow much for no apparent reason. My plants have not offset; they are three-gallon plants on the smallish side.

If I was to sum up my feelings on this clone, I would call it a very, very slow collector-only plant. It is just way too slow to justify production by a wholesale nursery. I am sure I have many times also called the plant "junk" when discussing it over a beer with my cohorts.

Perhaps this clone might pick up speed a little bit if "forced" in a constantly hot and humid greenhouse environment with high night-time temperatures. The problem with that is that a lot of Agaves never look quite right when grown in a greenhouse; the plant suffers a lot from etiolation, and the upright rosette form with natural deep coloration is nearly impossible to achieve under "forced" conditions. It might be worth a try in the ground in Hawaii or Thailand, where at least it should look "pretty" even though very slow-growing.

Perhaps I will try one in the ground before giving up completely and selling my plants off to the first person that offers me some serious coin for them. :red:

Spiny: You might have better results with propagation by planting your largest one out; I would think planting "in the ground" might speed up the plant a little, and eventually lead to more offsets faster. Certainly the plant would eventually adapt and show more "normal" form and coloration, looking more like the Rancho Soledad plants in Desert Dweller's post above. I would think that coring one of these might more likely lead to the plant setting back dramatically, and certainly there could be a high percentage chance that it would lead to the plant's demise. I guess that if you did it in a greenhouse in April you might increase the odds of success a little.

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Re: Agave parryi v. truncata variegated

Post Number:#15  Postby Spination » Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:19 pm

This will be my first year with all of my specimens soaking up full sun, at least until mid afternoon, so I'm expecting better color contrast, and better form over time. A couple experimented with last year showed promising results, so out go all the rest. Also, it's early enough in the year so they can acclimate themselves to the new sun situation before it really starts getting hot later on - hoping to avoid sunburning.

Regarding TC and "stuck" growth - I think I've seen that now with a couple of HBG KZ fantasy aloe hybrids. It appears this mode can last for some time, but then eventually the situation rights itself, and then good growing ensues.

I think I'll take your advice and plant out my largest - except that instead of in the ground, I'm going to use a big oak barrel I had originally intended for an Aloe polyphylla (too small for that now!). In that barrel, the truncata will have tons of room to do whatever it might want to do if it were in the ground itself.

Here is another different variegation scheme I have, growing for 6 years now, and shown in an 8" clay pot. It's a much slower grower than the yellow variegates... Also, having been put outside since late last year, I'm finally seeing an improvement in the coloring/contrast of variegation. I'm hoping this trend continues, and eventually displays some real yellow in contrast to the green.
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