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Post Number:#1  Postby Spination » Thu Jun 16, 2016 12:47 pm

These were supposed to be a cross with late last year blooming Aloe deltoideodonta v. Fallax and a hybrid Aloe but not sure now if they didn't just self pollinate, unless the seed parent Fallax features are more dominantly expressed in the seedlings. Maybe too early to tell, but I'm not seeing much to indicate that it is indeed a cross. Time will tell.

Seed Parent plant #1 of 2
2015 07 03 Aloe deltoideodonta v Fallax #1 b.jpg
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2015 11 02 Aloe deltoideodonta Var Fallax a X750.jpg
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2016 01 13 Aloe deltoideodonta Fallax #1 seeds sown b X750.jpg
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Potted the largest from this first of 2 batches today
2016 06 16 Aloe deltoideodonta #1 seeds a X750.jpg
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Only a couple showing anything different - like perhaps the one lower right in the form of more spines on that new leaf than others with relatively smooth edged leaves (so far)
2016 06 16 Aloe deltoideodonta #1 seeds a a.JPG
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#2  Postby leo25 » Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:58 pm

Your seedlings looks like happy and healthy :)
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#3  Postby Spination » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:53 am

Thanks Leo

You'll recognize this plant I got from you...
2016 06 30 Aloe Angelo Variegated _ Leo x750.jpg
2016 06 30 Aloe Angelo Variegated _ Leo x750.jpg (180.11 KiB) Viewed 1480 times


It's very exciting that it's blooming already, as I'm looking forward to crossing it with several candidates I have yet to decide on. I'm very much interested in finding out if cytoplasmic inheritance comes in to play as it apparently does with Gasteria and Haworthia variegated seed parents.

Here's some options in more or less comparable bloom states under consideration for crossing
2016 06 30 Aloe Dick Wright Hybrid _ Thailand x750.jpg
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2016 06 30 Aloe Snow Storm X750.jpg
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2016 06 30 Aloe Franco_Lime Fizz X750.jpg
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2016 06 30 Aloe inexpectata x750.jpg
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2016 06 30 Aloe Pink Blush X750.jpg
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2016 06 30 Aloe Doran Black 1 of 3 NOT X750.jpg
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And this one
2016 06 30 Aloe parvula _ mostly X750.jpg
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which produced seed last year crossed with Aloe Sunrise and a sampling of those seedlings currently looking like this
2016 06 30 Aloe parvula S X Aloe Sunrise P X750.jpg
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this was the exact pollen parent of those seedlings, also blooming (again! this one seems to bloom continuously...)
2016 06 30 Aloe Sunrise X750.jpg
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There's a number of seedling crosses also growing from this past year, but I'm really looking forward to selected seedlings getting big enough themselves to bloom, and perhaps then more interesting enough crosses to make over the next years. D)) The more to choose from, the more blooming, the more crosses, the more fun fun fun. :8:
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#4  Postby leo25 » Sat Jul 16, 2016 12:24 am

Wooow, you are a good grower, friend. Aloe Angelo variegated looks like so happy and healthy, well done ;)
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#5  Postby RCS » Sat Jul 16, 2016 4:21 am

Great looking stuff. You will be expanding your growing area soon I'm sure.
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#6  Postby Spination » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:24 am

Thanks very much.

Here's some updated photos of a couple.
This one is the plant above, purchased more recently as Aloe Doran Black, which it most certainly is not. Of 3 obtained from that source, 2 are rather green, 1 rather white in appearance. This is the whitish one, and the same exact plant above with the yellow flowers. Of interest is that the flowers on these begin yellow, and then completely transform to the more typical pink/salmon. I have a plant previously obtained as Aloe Doran Black, which looks nothing like this (more miniature for one thing), and much better and in my opinion perfectly matches the images posted on the Wright Nursery website.
This plant whatever it actually is still has desirable qualities, and is worth hybridizing endeavors.
The pollen of this plant was used on two others in bloom, and pollen from a mostly Aloe parvula (possible hybrid itself) used on it.
2016 07 12 Aloe DB NOT #3 a X750.jpg
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2016 07 12 Aloe DB NOT #3 b X750.jpg
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I've been so much looking forward to this one blooming since I got it a year ago, sent from Thailand, and called "Dick Wright Hybrid". After numerous searches on the net over time, I've actually found a couple of nearly perfect matches to something called Aloe Paul Hutchison, of even more interest since that is also a pollen parent of some Karen Zimmerman hybrids, including the lovely Aloe Chameleon. Actually, it wasn't until I was researching the listed parentage of Chameleon that I came to the startling but pleasant realization that Paul Hutchison is to date what I think the most likely actual ID for this plant. I've collected other similar but uniquely different hybrids as well: Aloe Sugar, Aloe Salt, Aloe Coconut Shavings, and another from Leo in Spain - a yet again slightly different but very appealing Dick Wright hybrid. For that matter, Aloe Chameleon, and Aloe Diego (aka White Lightning) have similar features and qualities as well.
2016 07 03 Aloe DW Hyb Thailand e x750.jpg
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The tiny tie strap marks the flowers below, which are pollinated with Aloe Doran Black NOT, and ones above pollinated with Aloe Lime Fizz. Another tie strap will mark off the uppermost flowers which will be pollinated with Aloe Snow Storm.
2016 07 14 Aloe DW Thai _ lower P w DB Not White _ upper P w Lime Fizz X750.jpg
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Aloe Franco and Aloe Lime Fizz, 2 names for the same plant, as seems to be the case for several KG hybrids.
2016 06 25 Aloe Franco _ Lime Fizz X750.jpg
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2016 07 14 Aloe Franco _ Lime Fizz b X750.jpg
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Aloe Snow Storm, lowest flowers were the first to open up just yesterday
2016 07 13 Aloe Snow Storm X750.jpg
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Here's the latest look of Aloe inexpectata, featuring a more capitate inflorescence, and apparently not an abundance of individual flowers. None quite open yet, but getting closer.
7/6
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7/14
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Seed pods of Aloe citrea - waiting for them to ripen further. I tried pollinating with the only blooming Aloe handy at the time which was Aloe Pickled Pink, but I have a suspicion that these seeds may actually be self pollinated. Anyway, a year down the road, assuming successful germination, I'll have better insight as to the actual result.
2016 07 12 Aloe citrea X750.jpg
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#7  Postby Spination » Sat Jul 16, 2016 9:57 am

And some seedlngs in the works...
Aloe humilis Pollen parent was particularly dense with tubercles
2016 07 16 Aloe humilis #1 X #2 X750.jpg
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Aloe Sunset X Aloe parvula -- I list the seed parent first, pollen parent second. This is the opposite cross as Aloe parvula X Aloe Sunset germinated much earlier, and I'm particular anxious to eventually compare any differences between the two perhaps illustrating influence of seed vs pollen parent.
2016 07 16 Aloe Sunset X Aloe parvula X750.jpg
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Same humilis pollen parent, but crossed to seed parent Aloe Spinosissima (considered a cross between humilis and arborescens). Should be interesting crossed back with humilis.
2016 07 16 Aloe spinosissima X Aloe humilis X750.jpg
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Freshly germinated, and already I've noticed something rather unique in that they are unusually tall right off. Usually, I can't tell one seedling from another early on, but these definitely are different from the norm.
Aloe Marmalade X Aloe Dragon If these turn out to be particularly worthy and appropriate, the name Marmalade Dragon would be somewhat fun and whimsical.
2016 07 14 Aloe Marmalade X Aloe Dragon X750.jpg
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Gasteria armstrongii Variegated. From Renny's Haworthis, these are seeds from variegated parents. Out of 50 seeds, circa 20 seedlings, a 40% germination rate which isn't great, but not bad either. It's still too early to tell, but I'm hoping for at least a small % of variegates. Due to cytoplasmic inheritance, if the seed parent (mother plant) is variegated, there is a reasonable expectation for some variegated seedlings. In this case, both seed and pollen parents are variegated, as far as I know.
2016 07 11 Gasteria armstrongii Variegated a  X750.jpg
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Gasteria marmorata Variegated X Gasteria rawlinsonii. From pollen of rawlinsonii, a couple of seed pods resulted on the marmorata, but not the other way around.
2016 07 16 Gasteria marmorata Variegated S X Gasteria rawlinsonii P X750.jpg
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Gasteria bicolor Liliputana X Gasteria rawlinsonii. Again, pollen from rawlinsonii. Interestingly, I didn't get any seed pods on the rawlinsonii until I eventually used Aloe marmalade pollen. Not quite sure, but I think I got my first germinated and still very tiny seedling yesterday, after a more lengthy than usual wait. If so, that should be very interesting with the pollen parent a rather interesting Aloe hybrid, and the seed parent a rather atypical Gasteria.
2016 07 11 Gasteria bicolor Liliputana S X Gasteria rawlinsonii P b X750.jpg
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#8  Postby Spination » Sun Jul 17, 2016 12:31 pm

Thanks to the timing of flowers opening for business, I've clarified and decided on 2 specific future seedlings with the following crosses:

This (all flowers to open henceforth)
2016 06 30 Aloe Snow Storm X750.jpg
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with this similar Aloe called aff. somaliensis from a grower in Czech Republic
2016 07 17 Aloe aff somaliensis #2 of 5 a x750.jpg
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rosette details albeit with sun-fade
2016 07 17 Aloe aff somaliensis #2 of 5 c X750.jpg
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better look at the plant's characteristics before outdoor planting

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Also, this:
2016 07 17 Aloe inexpectata X750.jpg
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with all remaining flowers to open of this:
2016 07 17 Aloe Paul Hutchison X750.jpg
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Hopefully, with seed pods to develop on each and subsequently successful germination, I'll be able to eventually compare and examine dominant characteristics or mingling of genetics between a very interesting Madagascar distichous, stem forming Aloe with the highly interesting rosette forming hybrid of most desirable leaf texture and tubercles. Quite different and individually unique, I'm very much looking forward to the fireworks 1-2 years from now.
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#9  Postby Spination » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:15 pm

Interesting cross
Aloe 'Fang' seed parent X Aloe laeta pollen parent
2016 09 21 Aloe Fang S X Aloe laeta P a X750.jpg
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variability among the seedlings - wide leaves and longer narrow ones
2016 09 21 Aloe Fang S X Aloe laeta P c X750.jpg
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Meet The Parents
2016 09 21 Aloe Fang _ Aloe laeta X750.jpg
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Same Fang, but depicting different looks in the past based on different lighting conditions
2014 01 09 Aloe Fang e X750.jpg
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2015 05 01 Aloe Fang X750.jpg
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#10  Postby Woodlily74 » Tue May 09, 2017 10:58 pm

Impressive aloe seedlings from TCT Hybrids Thiland at www.pantown.com just amazing photos.
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#11  Postby Spination » Thu May 11, 2017 8:59 am

That link didn't get me there, but after googling TCT hybrids, leading me to facebook posts, and then clicking another link, I found the pics you must have been referring to. Unbelievable quantity of new(ish) hybrids I haven't seen before. Makes me wonder if they aren't one of the largest enterprises on the planet creating Aloe hybrids galore. You could say it was driving me "Bhat-ty" (the Bhat - Thai currency) checking them all out and drooling over all the ones I would love to buy! I can't imagine they've been producing them for less than a decade, with so many nice sized hybrids available and so much variability in characteristics. I feel safe to say there is no one, no where here in the U.S. with such an operation going on... based on the plethora of photos of different plants they have available. Not even close... Wow!
I actually got tired of scrolling through them, and gave up!
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#12  Postby Agavemonger » Sat May 13, 2017 12:49 am

Spination wrote:I feel safe to say there is no one, no where here in the U.S. with such an operation going on... based on the plethora of photos of different plants they have available. Not even close... Wow!


Spiny; are you quite sure of that? D)) ::wink::

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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#13  Postby Spination » Sat May 13, 2017 8:35 am

I've already written a convincing argument sitting on a notepad ready to go (with all due diligence done - comparisons of climate, daylight hours, real estate costs, etc), why it's not even feasible here in the US, but I would first ask if you googled, found, and peeked at the plants that operation has? For me, with all the hybrids that I at least know about...it was like stepping into a new world with all new varieties I have never seen before. I can only describe it as a shock to the senses... I had no idea something like that was out there.

No disrespect meant. I'm already assuming you have one of the most impressive hybrid collections on this side of the planet.
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#14  Postby Woodlily74 » Sat May 13, 2017 11:53 am

Spiny you have a lot patiens with making and growing your own seedlings im surprised you gave up on TCT Aloes you know they offer seeds of select crosses as well. Did you see the white aloe with enormous texture is how TCT decribed it? Takes my breath away looking at it☺
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Post Number:#15  Postby Woodlily74 » Sat May 13, 2017 1:24 pm

Look at TCT aloe 182 Super Texture light green white color. on Facebook.
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#16  Postby Spination » Sat May 13, 2017 1:29 pm

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that all these known tabletop hybrids that I thought were the bulk of what's out there is in fact only the tip of the iceberg, based on photo after photo after photo I was looking at for TCT of awesome hybrids I'm not familiar with...until I just got plain tired (and a little depressed too - :( lol) of looking. That said, as soon as I recover, I'm going to look again, might try to pick up a few. ???

Buying plants from Thailand is a little tricky. As a hobbyist, there's a limit to how many can be shipped in a package (I think the magic number is 13) before one has to deal with import licencing and such.

Also, one would be a fool to not make sure they can provide a Phytosanitary Certificate. I won't buy anything from SE Asia if they can't provide a certificate. The reason is it's very close to 100% guarantee that no certificate - no plants will ever arrive at my door. Only an empty box with a form letter from Customs explaining why the plants were confiscated. ::wink::

The other problem specific to Aloe is that even hybrids are CITES species, so they would have to be able to provide that certificate too. Or, hope and pray the inspector can't tell an Aloe from something else. I don't like playing with odds like that. At best - 50/50 you'd see the plants with no CITES Certificate, but maybe a little better. Not worth the gamble IMO.

Also, recently, I spoke to an Aloe grower (supposedly) in Eastern Europe that doesn't take Paypal - only Bank Wire Transfer. Sounds VERY fishy to me. No dice, I won't have anything to do with such. So, I hope it wouldn't be anything like that because that would be a deal breaker too. No Paypal, no deal.

The seeds sound interesting, but I really like growing my own. I know with some certaintly what they are, because I was the one with the brush transferring pollen from one to the other. I collected the seeds, sowed them - no mistakes, no questions. I also have hundreds and hundreds of seedlings growing, and I'm already wondering what the heck I'm going to do for space as I have to pot seedlings from space efficient tiny tubs to 1" pots, and also what's going to happen as my 1" pot seedlings need to go in 3" pots (I have well over 100 plicatilis seedlings in just such need right now).... I'm going to have a big space shortage problem very soon. As it is, I'm already selling some plants on Ebay and making a little room, but it's still a drop in the bucket. I'm going to have to do something more significant very soon to make more room. That said, I just sowed fresh seeds today, and there's many more plants with ripening seed pods on the way. :lol:

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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#17  Postby Spination » Sat May 13, 2017 1:42 pm

Woodlily74 wrote:Look at TCT aloe 182 Super Texture light green white color. on Facebook.


I was looking at the facebook link to Pantown. It's ridiculous how amazing some (errr...most) of the plants are. Aloe ' Blue Shark'. That plant looks like a Dyckia! Yeah, I know it's an Aloe, I'm just saying it's pretty amazing. How about Aloe 'Blood Jaw'. Holy Moly. Wow! On and on and on.

That said, all eye candy only. Looked at their details for ordering.. Bank Transfer. Uh-uh, not doing that. Also, not one word about Phytos, or CITES. Not buying plants I'll never see.

Oh well. That does kind of explain though why none of those plants are over here, or even on Ebay. That might be a good thing, actually. Those plants flooding the market would pretty much kill it for many others. Yay? :lol:
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#18  Postby Woodlily74 » Sun May 14, 2017 6:03 am

Do you think the warm climate all year long provides faster growth to tct seedlings making advances we have to wait longer to see?
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Post Number:#19  Postby Spination » Sun May 14, 2017 7:57 am

For sure.
But not just the advantage of warm climate - light too.
It would be akin to growing up here further north in the northern hemisphere in a greenhouse, but with most beneficial heat and lighting all year long - and cutting out the worst of winter and the worst of summer. Thailand is still north of the equator, but at 15 lat - it's a tropical climate and their coldest days of Dec average 26C (78.8F) with corresponding shortest days just over 11 hours long (compared to SF 9:32 on 12/21), and avg hottest temps of the year 31C (87.8) with longest days just under 13 hours (SF 14:46 on 6/21). It would be like stopping California days getting shorter on Oct 21, and stopping days getting longer and hotter here on May 1. In other words, like perpetual spring/fall depending on whether the days are getting longer or shorter (12/21, 6/21). One would need greenhouses or shelter only for moisture control, as they have monsoon climate, with May-Oct their wettest months.
Anyway, to my thinking, ideal lighting and heating for growing plants all year long.
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Post Number:#20  Postby Steph115 » Sun May 14, 2017 9:25 am

Wow - those are some beautiful hybrids. "Dracula" and "Old Chainsaw" were among my favorites after skimming. Thanks so much for sharing! Even if it's just eye candy ;)
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#21  Postby Spination » Tue May 16, 2017 3:53 pm

I showed the flowering of Aloe inexpectata in various stages, and then in post #8 that again with open flowers and Aloe 'Paul Hutchison', the second hybrid I tried to cross with it.
Here are the seedlings to date. 2 batches - separated to upper and lower seed pods, from presumably 2 different crosses. The later batch (upper pods) still in a tub, the earlier ones in their own pots and looking like I haven't been watering them quite enough.
What i don't see is any real difference between the seedlings, and what I'm also not seeing is any characteristics which would make me believe that this is a hybrid of inexpectata, rather than than A. inexpectata seedlings.
2017 05 16 aloe inexpectata seedlings a X800.jpg
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slightly dehydrated, which seems to accentuate the spines
2017 05 16 aloe inexpectata seedlings b X800.jpg
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2017 05 16 aloe inexpectata seedlings c X800.jpg
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Here's a shot of another of 3 original plants acquired as A. inexpectata. It's not the one that flowered, but it's the first which is producing an offset (lower right). I find these difficult to keep nice looking, and very easy to get dried leaf tips.
2017 04 23 Aloe inexpectata b X800.jpg
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And a handy pic of the one that flowered, when it did
2016 07 06 Aloe inexpectata a X750.jpg
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I'm seeing a lot of similarity between the seedlings and the seed parent, and no real obvious evidence of hybrid influence. I'm thinking I either only accomplished selfing the plant, or that it's genes are so dominant, the hybrid's influence seems to be relatively nonexistent.
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#22  Postby Spination » Sun Jul 02, 2017 12:55 pm

Here's an update on the seedlings of A. inexpectata. There were 4 pods: 2 upper (latest ones), and 2 lower. I kept them separate and labeled, as I was under the impression that I had crossed those flowers with 2 different hybrids. Initially, the seedlings all looked very much like A. inexpectata, and I thought perhaps I had only achieved selfing. Now, I can see some variation I don't see in the A. inexpectata seed parent, so perhaps the hybridization was successful after all. I'd have to double-check my log-book, but I believe the pollen parents were A. 'Paul Hutchison' for the first 2 flowers (lower pods), and A. 'Franco' (aka 'Lime Fizz') for the upper 2 pods.
Regardless, my impression thus far is that A. inexpectata is the dominant parent, with the seedlings looking more like that species than either pollen donor.
Seedlings from pods 1, 2 (2 lowest and first formed pods)
2017 06 12 Aloe inexpectata seedlings c a X950.jpg
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General shape conforms to A. inexpectata, however the bumps and teeth don't really belong. If it worked out as I intended, A. 'Paul Hutchison' was the pollen parent on these.
2017 06 12 Aloe inexpectata seedlings b.jpg
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Today, I potted the 2nd batch, from seed pods 3,4 (2 upper and latest pods)
2017 07 02 A inexpectata X pods 3_4 potted today d b X950.jpg
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2017 07 02 A inexpectata X pods 3_4 potted today f a X950.jpg
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Here again, general form reminds most of A. inexpectata, but the additional adornments appear to be courtesy of A. 'Franco' - again, if it worked out as I intended at the time.
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EDIT - I should add, I got what I would expect is hybrid vigor, in that I'm seeing these seedlings to be more vigorous and faster growing that the A. inexpectata plants I'm growing. With all the species and hybrids I have growing, I feel that A. inexpectata may well be the most difficult Aloe I've ever tried to grow. Leaf tips and lower leaves appear to dry up - sometimes as fast as new ones appear. Perhaps, I have not figured out optimal growing conditions for them. The seedlings look to be a whole lot easier.
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#23  Postby Spination » Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:24 pm

As a handy comparison, here is the current look of my best remaining A. inexpectata. It's got a couple of perfect leaves, not too bad with the drying tips, and even an offset coming along.
Note it's diminutive teeth, and smooth leaf surface. The actual seed parent to the seedlings is doing very poorly. It's as if the flowering event just took too much out of it. Barring a miraculous recovery, another dried up leaf or too and there won't be anything left of it.
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Post Number:#24  Postby Spination » Wed Jul 05, 2017 3:18 pm

I've been potting up some promising seedlings recently, and this one today probably earlier than usual. The seeds were only sowed 12/1/16, and I had previously developed a sense that it takes about a year before the seedlings transform from nondescript seedlings to showing off their eventual characteristics. Only in April, they still looked rather plain...
2017 03 18 Aloe Sunrise S X Aloe Lavender Star P b X950.jpg
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Less than 4 months later, they are showing features already, and another surprise, a rather much more than usual degree of variation among the seedlings. Usually, they more alike than not. Short leaves, long leaves, wide range of bumps on the leaves.
Actually, I can hardly believe they're only 7 months old, with so much in the way of features starting to become evident.
2017 07 05 Aloe Sunrise S X Aloe Lavender Star P d.jpg
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Two potted together - couldn't be much more different
2017 07 05 Aloe Sunrise S X Aloe Lavender Star P c.jpg
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Seed Parent
2016 03 25 Aloe sunrise seed parent.jpg
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Pollen Parent
2016 05 14 Aloe Lavender Star pollen parent.jpg
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Can't wait to see how they look in another 6 months.
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Re: more Aloe seedlings

Post Number:#25  Postby Spination » Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:33 pm

A couple of other seedlings potted up recently
Aloe Quicksilver seed parent - pollen parent was a white rauhii looking hybrd from Spain
2017 06 29 Aloe Quicksilver X 2nd potting c.jpg
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Aloe Pink Blush seed parent - pollen parent was Aloe 'Salt'
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