Mosaic Aloe?

[Woodlily74]

ID please? A. somaliensis, A. rauhii, A. hemmingii, A. harlana, A.microcyphon?

[Geoff]

most likely Aloe hemmingii. Will have a much better idea after it flowers... if simple flower with dull red-pink flowers multiple times a year, A hemmingii is pretty much confirmed. Aloe rauhii is a definite now as the leaf quality and spotting is very different. Aloe macrosiphon also wrong as leaves never this stunted, even a seedling. Aloe somaliensis is a faint possibility, though often misidentified as this... A hemmingii is a far more commonly available plant. Aloe harlana is a pretty rare species, though can sort of start out looking vaguely like this (but with less distinct spotting). Aloe mcloughlanii is another possibility and harder for me to say why it's not that. Aloe peckii can sometimes look like this, too, though spots tend to vanish by this size.

[Woodlily74]

Thank you Geoff!

[Melt in the Sun]

How big is that? Looks like jucunda, if it's small....I can't really tell if it's 3" or 9" across.

[mickthecactus]

Bit pale for jucunda?

[Woodlily74]

Its small under 3 inches.

[Spination]

Just for comparison value - here's a shot of my jacunda. Where it looks quite different to me are the marginals.

2016 03 26 Aloe jacunda d.JPG (206.46 KiB) Viewed 2532 times

[Woodlily74]

The seller just tell me it gets no larger than 8in and has coral pink and orange flowers

[Spination]

I'd put my money on Geoff's "most likely". I was just showing a comparison with my jacunda, which doesn't seem a good match (marginals).

[Agavemonger]

These plants (There are many subtly different forms) seem notoriously misnamed...I have bought them labeled as several different species.

I believe it is not Aloe harlana (this is a much larger Aloe with long leaves to 24" and quite different looking, even as a small plant).

I believe it is not Aloe Mcloughlanii (Ditto above parenthaseed comments).

I believe it is not Aloe peckii (This is a stronger, larger, clumping rosette with unique color patterns and easily identifiable once grown and more completely understood).

Photos of Aloe somaliensis (As shown and described in the massive Tome Aloes: The Definitive Guide) (Although very poor photos) show a much larger plant with long, thinner leaves and not as gregariously clumping.

This points most directly at Aloe Hemmingii, which seems to match this species nearly exactly, at least as described in Aloes: The Definitive Guide. It also exactly matches the accompanying photo in this book taken by Miller, but does not seem to match the photo taken by McCoy.

The Monger

[Melt in the Sun]

About 8" sounds reasonable for A. hemmingii (maybe a little small, mine are ~12") and the flower color seems close based on that description ("coral pink").

[Woodlily74]

Side by side comparison A. hemmingii / A. harlana.

[Geoff]

are both your plants juveniles? Looks more like Aloe jucunda on the left and hemmingii on the right. Both way too small for harlana adult... plus Aloe harlanas have a more upright shape (leaves pointing up into the air rather than flattened horizontally or deflexed like jucunda). Below a few photos of Aloe hemmingii and then Aloe harlana

Aloe hemingii leaf detailk 1.jpg (85.3 KiB) Viewed 2465 times

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Aloe harlana underside leaves.jpg (127.03 KiB) Viewed 2465 times

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[Woodlily74]

Yes both juvies! The one on the was IDed as Hemmingii the small one. On the right is Harlana? The label mentions both hemmingii and harlana might be Altmans Plant. But Im uncertin what they are?

[Woodlily74]

Geoff you think the small one is jucunda and on the right hemmingii. When they bloom it be sure to get pictures. Thanks

[Geoff]

Well, that is mostly based on shape and size... and if both juveniles, size may not matter yet. But the recurved leaves of both say NO to harlana... flowering will be indeed a good tell, though Aloe jucunda and Aloe hemmingii flowers are near identical.. .Aloe harlana flowers, however, are quite different and unique.

[Agave_fan]

I hope it is ok to throw a little aloe I recently purchased into this thread for help in ID as I ended up here while trying to identify it using the forum. (if not, let me know and I will move it to its own thread)

East Austin Succulents often gets in some interesting cactus and succulents and typically they are labeled correctly but not always, depends on who is labeling or if labels get switched around.

I found this little cutey and one of the people working there that I find knowledgeable said 'that is not labeled correctly' when I was checking out but didn't elaborate. The plant was labeled as aloe jacunda (not jucanda spelling) and I now I am not certain if he was referring to the spelling of jacunda or thought it was a different species.

I did a few searches and saw similar looking plants under somaliensis and hemmingii and ended up here so thought I would toss a couple photos out and see what people thought. The plant is small, current widest spread tip of one leaf to another 3" and leaf height 1.5".

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labeled jacunda 2.jpg (235.74 KiB) Viewed 2256 times

[Spination]

While it doesn't really match Aloe jacunda, it does share some characteristics in common, such as the triangular thick leaves, and the type of teeth on the margin. I also have something acquired from Czechoslovakia that reminds me a little of it too, that was sold as "Aloe aff. somaliensis". Those teeth are even more similar, and the markings closer. Perhaps it's a hybrid involving one of both of those. It is a nice looking plant whatever it is.

[Agave_fan]

by Spination » Sun Nov 12, 2017 1:26 pm I also have something acquired from Czechoslovakia that reminds me a little of it too, that was sold as "Aloe aff. somaliensis".

Thanks spiny, I showed you mine, only fair you show me yours.

Here is a closer shot of the teeth. I didn't touch the coloration, this is the underside of one of the leaves.

[Spination]

Here's the Czech plant

2017 11 12 Aloe aff somaliensis a.jpg (230.97 KiB) Viewed 2247 times

also, here's one from Germany - (presumably a hybrid) called 'Little Snow'

2017 01 17 Aloe Little Snow a.JPG (256.54 KiB) Viewed 2247 times

[Agave_fan]

Oh nice! They do both remind me of what I have with the shape and fleshiness of the leaves as well as the angle in which they grow. Thanks for sharing!

[Spination]

These types of rather miniature similar looking Aloe, whatever they are, tend to pup a lot. I think at some point, you'll find you have more.