A few unknowns in my collection. Id’s please.

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A few unknowns in my collection. Id’s please.

Post Number:#1  Postby funkychicken85 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:00 am

Hi everyone I have a few here that have either lost their tags or their current names are in question.
Any help would be great.... thank you all!
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Marmorata, salmiana ??
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This came from Rancho TC it is suppose to be Ovatifolia??
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Red spines smooth leaf
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Rough texture
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Post Number:#2  Postby Spination » Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:50 am

Don't know about #1... I want to say A. sobria, but that's just a guess.
#2 is definitely not ovatifolia. The mammilated margin, spoon shaped leaves would be typical of A. isthmensis or potatorum, but the compact size of the rosette makes me think the former.
#3 looks like the culitvar known as A. palmeri Kutsugen No Mai Ogi - a gorgeous pale blue leaved plant with lovely red and wicked spines (curved and distinctive)
#4 could be something like A. salmiana 'Crazy Horse' or the other similar cultivar 'Bothe' - with those extra wide leaves. 'Mr Ripple' is another wide leaved salmiana, but more green rather than the bluish plant shown.
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Post Number:#3  Postby DesertDweller » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:23 am

Spination wrote:Don't know about #1... I want to say A. sobria, but that's just a guess.
#2 is definitely not ovatifolia. The mammilated margin, spoon shaped leaves would be typical of A. isthmensis or potatorum, but the compact size of the rosette makes me think the former.
#3 looks like the culitvar known as A. palmeri Kutsugen No Mai Ogi - a gorgeous pale blue leaved plant with lovely red and wicked spines (curved and distinctive)
#4 could be something like A. salmiana 'Crazy Horse' or the other similar cultivar 'Bothe' - with those extra wide leaves. 'Mr Ripple' is another wide leaved salmiana, but more green rather than the bluish plant shown.


No real idea on #1.

Agree on #2.

For #3, my first thought was also A. palmeri of some kind. Here's a couple shots of two typical A. palmeri I have, both similar size to yours:

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For #4, my guess was 'Mr Ripple' too, and those do have a rough texture. Maybe just my experience, but I feel like 'Bothe' is notably thinner, on par with A. ovatifolia thinness, whereas I find 'Mr. Ripple' much closer to it's purported proto-americana parent in that regard.
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Post Number:#4  Postby Spination » Sun Jan 14, 2018 11:50 am

Here's my 'Mr. Ripple', to illustrate just how green I mean it is compared to the others mentioned which are more blue
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Post Number:#5  Postby funkychicken85 » Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:00 am

Thanks guys, the first agave is still quite small see what happen as it grows on.
Third agave I had suspected palmeri but wasn’t sure.
The last one could be ‘crazy horse’ but havent heard of that available in Australia yet. I don’t thing it’s ‘Mr Ripple’ as ive go this one in the garden.
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Post Number:#6  Postby Spination » Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:48 am

That last one does resemble the unique A. ovatifolia 'Vanzie' with the twisty leaves.
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Post Number:#7  Postby Gee.S » Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:00 am

^ But not the marginal spine teats.
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Post Number:#8  Postby Gee.S » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:57 pm

1. Could be salmiana
2. A. isthmensis
3. Spination's guess is a good one, I would go with it
4. A. 'Mr. Ripple'
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Post Number:#9  Postby MJP » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:18 pm

Perhaps #1 is a form of Agave asperrima, given:
1) thickness of the leaf near the base;
2) downward curving teeth;
3) dark leaf margins trailing an appreciable distance from the terminal spine;
4) bluish leaf banding.

In fact, it has a remarkable resemblance to several short-leaved Agave asperrima that I grew from a batch of seed from Baluarte, Mexico (offered by Mesa Garden some years ago).
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Post Number:#10  Postby MJP » Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:21 pm

A photo of one of the Agave asperrima Baluarte, Mexico.
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