Help needed to identify a weird narrow leaved agave !

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Help needed to identify a weird narrow leaved agave !

Post Number:#1  Postby wbergeron60 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:47 am

Hi everyone ! Since I found this agave at my local garden center I have been trying to identify it and I haven't found anything about it yet ! I was wondering if anyone could help me to identify it ? Thank you very much and have a nice day !
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Re: Help needed to identify a weird narrow leaved agave !

Post Number:#2  Postby Bananaguy » Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:08 am

No idea what it is but the dark green and red teeth make it a attractive plant.
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Post Number:#3  Postby Spination » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:02 am

I have no idea either - but I'm looking at all those potted plants surrounding you, and realizing you're in QC, and know that's not exactly the tropics ::wink:: - is that in a greenhouse? D))
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Post Number:#4  Postby Melt in the Sun » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:06 am

I feel like I saw this on one of the facebook groups, and you got some suggestions of A. palmeri? That seems as good a guess as any - darker green than typical due to your higher latitude.
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Re: Help needed to identify a weird narrow leaved agave !

Post Number:#5  Postby Minime8484 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:59 am

Could it be A. decipiens?
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Post Number:#6  Postby Gee.S » Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:15 pm

^ Good guess, too spiny for decipiens, though. It looks like some manner of Rigidae or a Rigidae hybrid to me.

It does not look like an Arizona palmeri, but I've seen other palmeri forms from MX that are fairly distinct, so I suppose that's always possible. But really, same thing -- just too spiny.
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Re: Help needed to identify a weird narrow leaved agave !

Post Number:#7  Postby wbergeron60 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:18 pm

Bananaguy wrote:No idea what it is but the dark green and red teeth make it a attractive plant.

It looks a lot different than my other agaves for sure !
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Post Number:#8  Postby wbergeron60 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:21 pm

Spination wrote:I have no idea either - but I'm looking at all those potted plants surrounding you, and realizing you're in QC, and know that's not exactly the tropics ::wink:: - is that in a greenhouse? D))

Yes it is my local garden center ! They have a greenhouse opened all year round ! It's a nice place to visit when it's -20 celsius below freezing D)) D))
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Post Number:#9  Postby wbergeron60 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:27 pm

Melt in the Sun wrote:I feel like I saw this on one of the facebook groups, and you got some suggestions of A. palmeri? That seems as good a guess as any - darker green than typical due to your higher latitude.

Yes I posted those pictures on Planet agave earlier this week, I asked in the comment section if it could be an odd a. palmeri D)) My first guess was a a. deserti, but someone pointed me out that they were usually lighter in color !
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Post Number:#10  Postby mcvansoest » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:28 pm

How about a somewhat etiolated version of Agave sp. 'Emerald Envy', a name coined by forum member KLC.

Here is mine, which is in full sun and does not get a lot of water, so it has gone all bandy and somewhat lighter green, but when I just got it from the big box store, it was that same green color. Terminals and teeth appear very similar.
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Re: Help needed to identify a weird narrow leaved agave !

Post Number:#11  Postby Paul S » Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:18 am

Highly unlikely to be the same but one of my seed raised Agave gentryi is a twin of this - extremely narrow leaves and offsetting. Very unusual. Did see once near Parque Los Troncones in Tamaulipas what looked ostensibly like a gentryi/univittata (or lechuguilla) hybrid which is how I imagine this would grow up in terms of looks even if not genetics. I'll see if I can find the pic.

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Post Number:#12  Postby abborean » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:23 am

am with Paul. Looks more particularly to me like etiolated gentry "jaws"
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Post Number:#13  Postby wbergeron60 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:48 pm

Thanks a lot everyone for the information ! I will keep you posted has it grows ! The growing season here is somewhat short, I will be able to take it outside in a few months and repot it !
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Re: Help needed to identify a weird narrow leaved agave !

Post Number:#14  Postby AGAVE_KILLER » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:24 pm

Note, Rigidae is no longer

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Section Rigidae revised to Section Viviperae for good reason.

Also, no idea about this one plant. I think it looks like a George or a Seamus, a fine plant …
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Post Number:#15  Postby Gee.S » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:45 pm

We've had that paper posted up here for years (in the Gallery under A. vivipara), and agree wholeheartedly with the distinction between A. vivipara and A. angustifolia. I don't see where that paper places the likes of A. macroacantha and A. angustifolia in the Caribbean Agave group Viviperae. It seems to me that placement of these Mexican Agaves in Viviparae is actually contradictory to the position argued by Garcia-Mendoza in the paper you posted, that Caribbean and Mexican Agaves are in fact, distinct.
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Re: Help needed to identify a weird narrow leaved agave !

Post Number:#16  Postby agavegreg » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:41 pm

AGAVE_KILLER wrote:Note, Rigidae is no longer

download/file.php?id=1173

Section Rigidae revised to Section Viviperae for good reason.

Also, no idea about this one plant. I think it looks like a George or a Seamus, a fine plant …


Section Rigidae was NOT subsumed into Section Viviparae, Garcia-Mendoza and Chiang resurrected Trelease's group Sisalanae to replace group Rigidae. In the Garcia-Mendoza and Chiang paper, Agave vivipara and Agave angustifolia were shown to be two distinct species in two completely separate groups.
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Re: Help needed to identify a weird narrow leaved agave !

Post Number:#17  Postby Gee.S » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:44 pm

^ Yup, that's how I read it.
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