Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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We returned to the site referenced in Post #59, and drove by the mini-verdensis pop again, and by George, we finally struck pay dirt. We found active bloom stalks on the mini-verdensis and another unknown domesticate Agave growing 100m away. There is a third Agave there as well, for which we have not yet seen blooms. As suspected, despite an uncanny resemblance to A. verdensis (plants look identical except roughly 1/3 the size), blooms are entirely distinct, bearing little resemblance to any other domesticate Agave. Blooms on the other favor A. yavapaiensis, but plants appear distinct.

We also found blooms galore at the other locale, confirming the domesticate air previously suspected. There are domesticate A. parryi around, a natural and robust A. chrysantha pop, and all manner of apparent introgression with A. verdensis and A. yavapaiensis (or perhaps a couple convincing domesticate doppelgangers).
Domesticate #1
Domesticate #1
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Domesticate #1
Domesticate #1
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Domesticate #1
Domesticate #1
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Domesticate #1
Domesticate #1
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A. 'Mini-verdensis', plant by Peter's left knee is full grown
A. 'Mini-verdensis', plant by Peter's left knee is full grown
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A. 'Mini-verdensis'
A. 'Mini-verdensis'
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Domesticate #1
Domesticate #1
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Domesticate #2
Domesticate #2
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Domesticate #2
Domesticate #2
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Domesticate #2
Domesticate #2
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A. 'Mini-verdensis'
A. 'Mini-verdensis'
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A. 'Mini-verdensis'
A. 'Mini-verdensis'
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Domesticate #1
Domesticate #1
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A. verdensis?
A. verdensis?
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None too sure, but I want one!
None too sure, but I want one!
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None too sure, but I want one!
None too sure, but I want one!
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A. chrysantha
A. chrysantha
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A. parryi
A. parryi
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A. chrysantha?
A. chrysantha?
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A. parryi
A. parryi
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".

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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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The colors in 021 are brilliant! Gorgeous photos, as usual. I wonder about your last unknown agave at the nursery. Leaf morphology almost looks mangave-like to me. It's a looker as well.
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Sorry, not sure which post you're referring to. No 021 in the most recent. Posts are numbered.
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Ah sorry - photos from post #10
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Yes that helps. And yes, 021 is A. phillipsiana, the most elegant and attractive of the AZ domesticates, IMHO.
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Today we visited our second known mini-verdensis site, some 30 miles from the first. There may be more, perhaps even more that we've seen without realizing these plants represent a taxon distinct from verdensis, the resemblance is that remarkable. This second pop has decidedly different bedfellows from the first, sharing a small mesa with A. parryi, another unknown domesticate or unknown domesticate (A. phillipsiana?) × A. parryi hybrid, and a small Sinagua pueblo. Many A. parryi are clearly introgressed. Our mini-verdensis here present as shy of identical to the first, and some differences may result from more moderate growing conditions, but leaf shape and marginal spines are not quite the same. OTOH, bloom stalks are the same in every respect, including bloom time, size, number of flowers. Flowers measure out as similar, but are colored differently. One is left to wonder at this point, why ancient Sinagua native Americans were interested in producing these minuscule Agaves.

On our way out, we stopped by one of our favorite A. yavapaiensis haunts, and regret to report yet another eriophyid mite infestation. Sigh....
Sinagua pueblo
Sinagua pueblo
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Sinagua pueblo
Sinagua pueblo
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Sinagua pueblo
Sinagua pueblo
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A. parryi
A. parryi
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A. parryi
A. parryi
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A. 'Mini-verdensis'
A. 'Mini-verdensis'
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A. 'Mini-verdensis' (look by Peter's foot)
A. 'Mini-verdensis' (look by Peter's foot)
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A. 'Mini-verdensis'
A. 'Mini-verdensis'
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A. 'Mini-verdensis'
A. 'Mini-verdensis'
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A. 'Mini-verdensis'
A. 'Mini-verdensis'
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A. 'Mini-verdensis'
A. 'Mini-verdensis'
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A. 'Mini-verdensis'
A. 'Mini-verdensis'
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Unknown domesticate
Unknown domesticate
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Unknown
Unknown
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A. yavapaiensis
A. yavapaiensis
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A. yavapaiensis
A. yavapaiensis
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A. yavapaiensis
A. yavapaiensis
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A. yavapaiensis
A. yavapaiensis
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".

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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Another mini-verdensis comparison. Close, but not quite.

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Site 1

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Site 2
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".

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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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What spectacular little plants and what a great find.
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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More comparison -- knee shots.
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Site 1
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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And back to the general area at which mini-verdensis #1 resides to look for more strangers, and by gosh, we found some. We found a breathtaking apparent verdensis hybrid of some manner, another possible mini-verdensis example, and several blooming Agaves across an area of about 10 acres that point to the inescapable conclusion that this is not the A. chrysantha site we had previously believed. Plants here are decidedly chrysantha-like, but sport very different blooms, the likes of which we may not have seen before. So we seem to have discovered another potential new taxon growing across an area of at least 10 acres, that is also home to a smattering of A. verdensis, with which there is some small introgression. It may sound a little messy, but not nearly so incomprehensible and untidy as goings on at AFNM (Agua Fria National Monument) and other sites in the area. This is fun stuff!
Domesticate #1 (See Post #76)
Domesticate #1 (See Post #76)
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Domesticate #1 (See Post #76)
Domesticate #1 (See Post #76)
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Domesticate #2 (See Post #76) -- these are phillipsiana-like
Domesticate #2 (See Post #76) -- these are phillipsiana-like
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Another mini-verdensis? This plant is 0.6 mile from the main bunch
Another mini-verdensis? This plant is 0.6 mile from the main bunch
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A. verdensis or verdensis-like Agave
A. verdensis or verdensis-like Agave
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Apparent A. verdensis hybrid (possibly A. verdensis x New Agave #3)
Apparent A. verdensis hybrid (possibly A. verdensis x New Agave #3)
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New Agave #3
New Agave #3
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New Agave #3 -- blooms are tiny, perhaps 35mm
New Agave #3 -- blooms are tiny, perhaps 35mm
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A. verdensis
A. verdensis
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Fire near Prescott, AZ
Fire near Prescott, AZ
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Fire near Prescott, AZ
Fire near Prescott, AZ
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".

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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Fascinating. Hope at least one of these gets named A. parkerii
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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And one final look around the area to try to better our understanding of the range of the unusual chrysantha-like Agaves in the area. They're nearly done blooming now, so any serious research here is done until next season. Today we tried our very best to remain in the region, but distance ourselves from known domesticates to what extent we were able. One method is to attain elevation, beyond the comfort zone of known domesticates, another is to study blooms a few miles away from same said known domesticates, and we did both. In each instance, blooms became more homogeneous, but still displayed unusual features such as pale color and tepal callouses.

We also found a patch of what may pan out as the same unusual Agaves that got our attention at Blackjack, 100 miles away, and we were fortunate enough to find a plant in bloom today, which appears chrysantha-like, but we have yet to scrutinize beyond a cursory glance.
A. phillipsiana
A. phillipsiana
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A. phillipsiana
A. phillipsiana
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A. phillipsiana
A. phillipsiana
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Another not so chrysantha-like bloom on a chrysantha-like plant
Another not so chrysantha-like bloom on a chrysantha-like plant
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A. chrysantha?
A. chrysantha?
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Same Agave we found at Blackjack?
Same Agave we found at Blackjack?
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Same Agave we found at Blackjack?
Same Agave we found at Blackjack?
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Apparent domesticate Agave sharing a hill with A. delamateri
Apparent domesticate Agave sharing a hill with A. delamateri
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Apparent domesticate Agave sharing a hill with A. delamateri
Apparent domesticate Agave sharing a hill with A. delamateri
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Sinagua pueblo
Sinagua pueblo
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".

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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Pardon my ignorance, but what are tepal callouses? Are these visible in any of the bloom photos you've posted here?
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Check the photo Mini_V_North 033b in post 81. See the brown tips on the very end of the tepals? These are tepal callouses, the discoloration results from drying, and this is a bloom characteristic most Agaves lack. Callouses have the effect of elongating (opposite of blunting) tepals, and allow some small increase in access to nectar within. A. chrysantha tepals are generally strictly erect, blunt, and impressively rigid. In contrast, A. palmeri and AZ domesticate Agaves have these callouses, which I consider a significant identifying characteristic. Read Gentry's bloom description of A. palmeri for his tepal callous reference.
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Interesting, thanks for the explanation and pointing to the image. I'll look up that Gentry reference.
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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And a quick hike up to Ledge House Just trying to get our hiking legs under us for the upcoming season. Anybody like spiders?
A. parryi
A. parryi
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Echinocereus coccineus / A. parryi
Echinocereus coccineus / A. parryi
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Sinagua cliff dwelling
Sinagua cliff dwelling
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Sinagua cliff dwelling
Sinagua cliff dwelling
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A. phillipsiana
A. phillipsiana
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Sinagua pictographs
Sinagua pictographs
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Local digs
Local digs
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Local digs
Local digs
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Local digs
Local digs
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A. phillipsiana
A. phillipsiana
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Black widow
Black widow
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Black widow
Black widow
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A. parryi
A. parryi
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Tried a new hiking spot today, east of Oak Creek, and there were quite a few strange Agaves up there. The only naturally occurring Agave in the area would be A. parryi, but we found plenty of other offerings, which defy identification. Some have a chrysantha-like waft about them, but this is pretty far out of range for chrysantha. Best guess is that A. verdensis and perhaps A. phillipsiana had been planted out and since perished, but not before adding genetic material to the naturally occurring A. parryi pop. Interesting place, interesting plants, but a taxonomic mess we will probably never sort out.
Geesh, it wasn't THAT bad...
Geesh, it wasn't THAT bad...
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Unknown
Unknown
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A. parryi
A. parryi
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Local digs
Local digs
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A. parryi-ish
A. parryi-ish
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A. parryi × A. verdensis ?
A. parryi × A. verdensis ?
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More of the same...
More of the same...
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... and more -- sort of...
... and more -- sort of...
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OK I give up...
OK I give up...
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A. parryi-ish
A. parryi-ish
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A. parryi-ish
A. parryi-ish
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Unknown
Unknown
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Whatever 049 is.
Whatever 049 is.
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Appears intermediate between A. parryi and A. verdensis
Appears intermediate between A. parryi and A. verdensis
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Wowzers!
Wowzers!
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Very A. verdensis-like
Very A. verdensis-like
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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A few of those certainly do "have a chrysantha-like waft about them". I see the bottom of an old stalk in photo 030.JPG. Was that inflorescence intact enough to give any clues?

2 gallons of water? That makes for an awfully heavy pack! I guess I'd have to leave the camera home. I hope you didn't forget that sleeping bag! :lol:
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Never seen a sign like it, have you?

Oh there were all kinds of stalks about, we collected some seed. Tiny pods, tiny seed, so tiny blooms. And shockingly infertile, very little seed amongst lots of chaff. There is no way to tell one parry hybrid from another by examining stalks, or even blooms, for that matter. This is not really chrysantha territory, so more likely verdensis and phillipsiana or another unknown domesticate. Whatever it was is gone now, though its DNA remains in the hybrid pop. A few of these guys had a strong verdensis look about them, but others did not.
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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A trip north in search of ruins, glyphs and domesticates. We had long since heard rumors of glyphs at Rarick Canyon, above and beyond those found on the main panel, and we found them -- lots of them! We also found a new-to-us hilltop pueblo, and ran into A. phillipsiana, A. verdensis and A. delamateri along the way. We also found what I believe are rare A. verdensis × A. delamateri hybrids.
Sinagua pueblo
Sinagua pueblo
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Sinagua pueblo
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Sinagua pueblo
Sinagua pueblo
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A. phillipsiana
A. phillipsiana
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A. delamateri
A. delamateri
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A. delamateri
A. delamateri
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A. verdensis × A. delamateri
A. verdensis × A. delamateri
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Echinocereus coccineus
Echinocereus coccineus
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Sinagua petroglyphs
Sinagua petroglyphs
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Sinagua petroglyphs
Sinagua petroglyphs
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Sinagua petroglyphs
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Sinagua petroglyphs
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Sinagua petroglyphs
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".

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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Sinagua petroglyphs
Sinagua petroglyphs
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Sinagua petroglyphs
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Mite-infested A. verdensis
Mite-infested A. verdensis
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A. parryi
A. parryi
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".

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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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I could make out Deer,Antelope,Mountain lion,Turtle and Alien Spaceship with star map pointing to our origins.
Fantastic landscape..the iron rust soils and Agave parryi make a great place to live. Carved hills are spectacular.

Here in the bay area there are long "fences" of stacked stones all over the eastbay- seem them myself and wondered why or what they were for? Some follow rollings hills down to the base where some seasonal creek might flow...no reason for that. It was in the paper recently that even in 2017,they didn't know who built them,settler or Indians or why. They admit it was a lot of work put into building those stone walls with no real obvious reason,because they never find any foundations for a possible home near any of them. So,who does that for just open land?
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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We've found rock walls out in the wilds more than once that lack the style/quality of ancient Native American handiwork. In our case, more times than not, it is ramshackle construction by cavalry during the Indian wars.
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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Today we resolved one of our most enduring habitat mysteries. We finally found the Sinagua ruins associated with a large A. yavapaiensis field. And by large, I mean more than 1/2 of the world's habitat yavapaiensis population is found here. There are two ruins, both pueblos, and both rather large. The first has perhaps 50 rooms, and the other about 30.
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Agave
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".

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Re: Habitat: Domesticates South of Sedona II

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Outstanding tour of Agave,sinagua petroglyphs and natural areas!
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