Agaves from seed
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Best bet for very young seedlings would be to protect them indoors, or at least in a small greenhouse, until substantially larger. Not only do they need to develop a larger and more mature root system, they also need more and larger leaves. Even more importantly, as GeeS pointed out with the bulbil example, they need to become denser and hardened.
Keith and Greg do a great job with their plants. They keep their seedling plants crowded in 4" pots or 6-pack, ground-cover type trays outdoors in shade houses until they are larger. This allows them to develop an established, thicker root system and progressively larger, hardened leaves before they have to suffer the trauma of being divided and transplanted into larger pots. They are also hardened to the vagaries of the temperature ranges outdoors. Naturally, this takes more time!
You could also "force" seedlings in heated greenhouses until they become large enough to at least fill a 4" pot, then move them outdoors into shade to finish hardening in the spring once over-night lows move consistently into the fifties. Of course, these delicate plants need constant monitoring; a couple of days of excessive drying out or "too bright" conditions and the plants will be "heading south" in a real hurry!
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Keith and Greg do a great job with their plants. They keep their seedling plants crowded in 4" pots or 6-pack, ground-cover type trays outdoors in shade houses until they are larger. This allows them to develop an established, thicker root system and progressively larger, hardened leaves before they have to suffer the trauma of being divided and transplanted into larger pots. They are also hardened to the vagaries of the temperature ranges outdoors. Naturally, this takes more time!
You could also "force" seedlings in heated greenhouses until they become large enough to at least fill a 4" pot, then move them outdoors into shade to finish hardening in the spring once over-night lows move consistently into the fifties. Of course, these delicate plants need constant monitoring; a couple of days of excessive drying out or "too bright" conditions and the plants will be "heading south" in a real hurry!
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My small experience suggests that small plants that have survived outside, such as pups and bulbils, can be brought in, pampered for a while, then returned to the great outdoors without issue. We might want to do that for bulbils discovered in late autumn, in order to encourage root growth, as an example. But seedlings germinated and raised inside are not so easily transitioned. All of a sudden, they must cope with wild temperature fluctuations and desiccation. My seedlings have never experienced temp variations of more than 5°F, and they certainly aren't equipped with the necessary plumbing (root system and vascular network) to handle even spring temps and humidity, let alone summer. I may try a few outdoors in spring under tight control to see if it toughens them up a bit, but we'll see how that goes. The first thing they must do is start growing thicker leaves, which they will as they continue to age.
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Here are a couple 13-month old seedling shots of select specimens separated from the crowd. For size reference, the smaller container is 4" × 2". It's so much fun watching them separate and become more and more distinct as they grow. I have a few of them outside now, and will rotate in and out as conditions dictate, until summer when I'm sure I'll need to keep them all indoors. In the meantime, I figure a little outdoor exposure can only help toughen them up. Outdoor seedlings are in an old refrigerator drawer in a cozy locale that sees about 3-4 hours of afternoon sun.
My favorites so far are the utahensis from Aquarius. Not the biggest, but the most leaves and first to form cohesive rosettes.
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A. desmettiana × pelona, A. deserti, A. sobria 'Turtle Teeth'
A. utahensis, A. 'Celsii Nova', A. yavapaiensis, A. pelona
My favorites so far are the utahensis from Aquarius. Not the biggest, but the most leaves and first to form cohesive rosettes.
IDs for Pic 1:
A. desmettiana × pelona, A. deserti, A. sobria 'Turtle Teeth'
A. utahensis, A. 'Celsii Nova', A. yavapaiensis, A. pelona
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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Space is going to be a problem, isn't it? So far so good, but not for long...
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Coming along, now at 16 months. Here are a few examples. For reference the smaller container is 4"× 2". White splotches are just water stains. We have:
A. chrysantha / A. utahensis / A. 'Celsii Nova' / A. verdensisis
A. desmettiana × A. pelona / A. stricta / A. sobria 'Turtle Teeth'
A. chrysantha / A. utahensis / A. 'Celsii Nova' / A. verdensisis
A. desmettiana × A. pelona / A. stricta / A. sobria 'Turtle Teeth'
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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They look very nice. Seedling update photos are always interesting and welcome. I like the little deep pots you use too.
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Here are a few seedlings from my starter tray, none older than seven months.
Really odd little guy is unlike other lophantha seedlings. Looks like a pumila wannabe.
A. 'Celsii Nova' × A. deserti v. simplex / A. 'Celsii Nova' × A. diformis. They look very similar but the diformis hybrids are outpacing the simplex by a fair margin.
A. mckelveyana × A. utahensis (F2+). The photo does not capture the true drool-worthiness of this outstanding seedling.
A. isthmensis, a few months younger than other seedlings here but growing much, much faster.
Really odd little guy is unlike other lophantha seedlings. Looks like a pumila wannabe.
A. 'Celsii Nova' × A. deserti v. simplex / A. 'Celsii Nova' × A. diformis. They look very similar but the diformis hybrids are outpacing the simplex by a fair margin.
A. mckelveyana × A. utahensis (F2+). The photo does not capture the true drool-worthiness of this outstanding seedling.
A. isthmensis, a few months younger than other seedlings here but growing much, much faster.
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Containers are 2" and 4" across. Some of my seedlings are no longer coloring inside the lines. Group on the right in a 4" container now needs about 10" of elbow room. Not to mention that there are four plants in there, and each will need its own container before long. Problems, problems....
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"Some talk the talk, others walk the walk, but I stalk the stalk"
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They're looking great! How is that mckelveyana x utahensis doing? Is that one that you crossed yourself?
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What in the world is that left middle plant....one of the "celsii nova" seedlings?
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I must say, I am always impressed by your sharp eye. Yes, that is one of the Nova seedlings. Sorta trippy, ain't it?Melt in the Sun wrote:What in the world is that left middle plant....one of the "celsii nova" seedlings?
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That is habitat-collected seed, and those seedlings are many months behind this batch, though they are doing so well, I recently moved them into the big-boy digs.Steph115 wrote:They're looking great! How is that mckelveyana x utahensis doing? Is that one that you crossed yourself?
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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I'd be very curious to try the celsii crosses. A. deserti v. simplex will never survive in S CA, but maybe a hybrid will....
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The simplex hybrids are struggling a bit, having fallen far behind the difformis crosses of the same age. No idea.....
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I just experienced kinduva momentous occasion. I now have individual seedlings flying solo in 4" containers for the first time. These are of the Nova persuasion.
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Here are my strangest seedlings, without a doubt. These are from seed I collected in my yard from A. parviflora. In checking records, I am now pretty certain bloom time overlapped with A. desmettiana. Is this a freak show or what? Leaves are VERY thick. Agave "nozandensis"
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Do you have a regular A. parviflora seedling to compare with your possible hybrid?
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Afraid not.... I just planted twenty more of the seed. Dunno what to expect. A mix of normals and hybrids?
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Congrats! Certainly momentous. Definitely deserves a celebration.Gee.S wrote:I just experienced kinduva momentous occasion. I now have individual seedlings flying solo in 4" containers for the first time. These are of the Nova persuasion.
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These are almost three months old now. Not much to see yet.Gee.S wrote:Afraid not.... I just planted twenty more of the seed. Dunno what to expect. A mix of normals and hybrids?
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^ May get a hint of what's to come by the end of the year, though I'm already wondering about the deep guttering I see....
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A. parviflora × desmettiana sounds like it could be interesting. For me desmettiana is a fast & failproof grower, parviflora less so.