Winstons Trip-11-10-17

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Winstons Trip-11-10-17

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Few shots from today trip, A new group of Agave parryi var. huachucensis. Marty
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Beautiful!
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Very nice! What's the story with the really green one in the background of a couple of the shots (3rd and 4th in the post)?
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Nice, I love them!
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Looks the proverbial great time for all. It was 85f in Phoenix yesterday so those Agaves are at some altitude?
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The only Agaves in Phoenix are garden plants.
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So- even outside city limits- no wild Agaves?
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Stan wrote:So- even outside city limits- no wild Agaves?
Closest Agave pop to downtown Phoenix is A. deserti var. simplex in the Sierra Estrella Mountains, not far from KLC-ville. Next closest would be A. chrysantha, very close to Gee.S-ville, all the way across the Valley. In each case, we're talking substantial elevation gain. Phoenix is low desert, while Agaves are, with few exceptions, plants of the mid- to high desert.

The scouting party in the OP was probably hanging somewhere around 6K' - 7K'.
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Now I am back in London, I can offer a few photos. This was a visit to Ramsey Canyon, following the pattern which I take when visiting Tucson, a definite intention of covering a broad landscape.. Martin was very disappointed with what we met, too rustic, not enough Agaves, but it did give me a chance to test the limits of my new camera. Jkw
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The other part of the day trip was to visit a second Agave Parryi collection, which was damaged by fire recently. Greg wanted to assess the extent of the damage, and to offer a view for survival. Having being there before, I was totally shocked by the damage, but Greg was far more enthusiastic, and expressed the opinion that within five to six years the collection would recover. Jkw

PS. Will post some of my older photos when I find them.
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As promised, here are some of the photos I took last year. Jkw
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DesertDweller wrote:Very nice! What's the story with the really green one in the background of a couple of the shots (3rd and 4th in the post)?
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The green plants are Agave palmeri, and are more indicative of the area than A parryi. Because they grow in this shaded canyon they appear to me, very floppy, and very different from those that I came across last year in another canyon. Jkw.
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Jkwinston wrote:The green plants are Agave palmeri, and are more indicative of the area than A parryi. Because they grow in this shaded canyon they appear to me, very floppy, and very different from those that I came across last year in another canyon. Jkw.
Very cool. An interesting juxtaposition amongst all those parryi. :U
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Nice! Why all the dead parryi -- fire damage?
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Gee.S wrote:Nice! Why all the dead parryi -- fire damage?
I believe the fire was accidentally caused by a security/police official who was amusing himself with target practice near the area. Unfortunately, he unknowingly shot a gas tank which started an uncontrollable fire which swept across the countyside. Jkw
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Thank you so much for posting these. Living vicariously through your travels.
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Great photos. Could be one of Paul S photos from his Mexican trips. Is there a botanical garden in Arizona at elevation? Or are they all low land?
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Stan wrote:Great photos. Could be one of Paul S photos from his Mexican trips. Is there a botanical garden in Arizona at elevation? Or are they all low land?
Stan, as far as I know, there is none. The only one I know is a very small size affair set unusually in a very residential area, which is surprising for this city with its fabulous habitat potential. But do remember that Tucson has East and West Saguaro National Park, and the fabulous Arizona-Sonora Desert Museum, plus loads of regular nurseries. Jkw
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Stan wrote:Great photos. Could be one of Paul S photos from his Mexican trips. Is there a botanical garden in Arizona at elevation? Or are they all low land?
The Arboretum at Flagstaff, just outside of Flagstaff, AZ, is at an elevation of just over 7000 feet.
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toditd wrote:
Stan wrote:Great photos. Could be one of Paul S photos from his Mexican trips. Is there a botanical garden in Arizona at elevation? Or are they all low land?
The Arboretum at Flagstaff, just outside of Flagstaff, AZ, is at an elevation of just over 7000 feet.
Hi, you are absolutely right. I remembered now visiting Flagstaff with the intention of seeing the Grand Canyon. Arrived at the station by Amtrak, having left a very warm Los Angeles, and was actually gob-smacked to be greeted with a snowfall which to me was totally unexpected. Jkw
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In spite of the damage to the Agave parryi var huachucensis plants by fire, I managed to get some interesting close-ups of plants that were unscarred. Here are a few photos. Jkw
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