Dasylirion serratifolium

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Dasylirion serratifolium

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The pictures above aren't Dasylirion serratifolium imo. Eeven acounting for the difference in climate between Oaxaca and Nice they just don't look right. Here is the real thing near it's type location just northwest of Oaxaca. Short, wide, stiff leaves, thick trunk, brutish appearance.

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Today I stumbled across two specimens of what was labeled D. serratifolium in two different gardens, both in Barcelona, Spain
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I don't think any of the above are Dasylirion serratifolium.

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Paul S wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:41 am I don't think any of the above are Dasylirion serratifolium.

Here are some habitat pics of Dasylirion serratifolium near the type location.

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Do you remember if they had rough feeling leaves? Similar to asperrima? Do you have an close up shots of the leaves?
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GreekDesert wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:15 pm very nice, i grow many Nolinaceae.
My D. wheeleri blooms every two or three years and my glaucophyllum also. The others did not bloom by now.
How big does a D wheeleri need to be before blooming? I purchased 2 really large 15 gallon specimen plants last year. Should I be optimistic?
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Meangreen94z wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:06 pm
Paul S wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:41 am I don't think any of the above are Dasylirion serratifolium.

Here are some habitat pics of Dasylirion serratifolium near the type location.

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Do you remember if they had rough feeling leaves? Similar to asperrima? Do you have an close up shots of the leaves?
Very rough, yes. That shot is the closest I got to the detail.
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Fairview wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:00 pm
GreekDesert wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:15 pm very nice, i grow many Nolinaceae.
My D. wheeleri blooms every two or three years and my glaucophyllum also. The others did not bloom by now.
How big does a D wheeleri need to be before blooming? I purchased 2 really large 15 gallon specimen plants last year. Should I be optimistic?
Do you have a picture? Once their head fills out to near a mature size is when they start to bloom, from what I’ve seen. Then they start growing upwards. They bloom all over the Austin area.
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Paul S wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 12:48 am
Meangreen94z wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:06 pm
Paul S wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2023 9:41 am I don't think any of the above are Dasylirion serratifolium.

Here are some habitat pics of Dasylirion serratifolium near the type location.

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Do you remember if they had rough feeling leaves? Similar to asperrima? Do you have an close up shots of the leaves?
Very rough, yes. That shot is the closest I got to the detail.
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The texture is more like Agave marmorata than asperrima - very coarse.

As an aside, in theory there are just two described species of dasylirion in the south of Mexico - D. serratifolium and D. lucidum. Both of which are large, trunking plants, quite distinct in themselves and from each other. I've seen others - non-trunking and also trunking but branching - that need names. It wouldn't surprise me if seed of these other species has entered into cultivation as D. serratifolium at some point.

As an aside to an aside, in Europe there is a default by commercial growers to call any green dasylirion with marginal teeth D. serratifolium. :roll:
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Meangreen94z wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:03 am
Fairview wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:00 pm
GreekDesert wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:15 pm very nice, i grow many Nolinaceae.
My D. wheeleri blooms every two or three years and my glaucophyllum also. The others did not bloom by now.
How big does a D wheeleri need to be before blooming? I purchased 2 really large 15 gallon specimen plants last year. Should I be optimistic?
Do you have a picture? Once their head fills out to near a mature size is when they start to bloom, from what I’ve seen. Then they start growing upwards. They bloom all over the Austin area.

Here you go. That's a 15 gallon bucket beside it. Height of the bucket is 16".

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Fairview wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:25 pm
Meangreen94z wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:03 am
Fairview wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:00 pm

How big does a D wheeleri need to be before blooming? I purchased 2 really large 15 gallon specimen plants last year. Should I be optimistic?
Do you have a picture? Once their head fills out to near a mature size is when they start to bloom, from what I’ve seen. Then they start growing upwards. They bloom all over the Austin area.

Here you go. That's a 15 gallon bucket beside it. Height of the bucket is 16".

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I think it may have to grow a few more years before it will flower.
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Meangreen94z wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:39 pm
Fairview wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 2:25 pm
Meangreen94z wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:03 am

Do you have a picture? Once their head fills out to near a mature size is when they start to bloom, from what I’ve seen. Then they start growing upwards. They bloom all over the Austin area.



Here you go. That's a 15 gallon bucket beside it. Height of the bucket is 16".

Thanks
I think it may have to grow a few more years before it will flower.
I might just make it to see that bloom but for sure not the agaves.
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In England the crown of most dasylirions needs to be around a foot in diameter. Depending upon the species it then has to grow upwards - the few wheeleri that I've seen that have made it to flowering have a crown that is usually 12-15" tall at the base.

It seems the various species behave differently - berlandieri is almost always a precocious flowerer over here, quadrangulatum needs to get to maybe 4-5ft of trunk and a few decades before it flowers.
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