Nolina matapensis

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Nolina matapensis

Post Number:#1  Postby GreekDesert » Mon Jan 06, 2014 2:52 am

Nolina matapensis
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Re: Nolina matapensis

Post Number:#2  Postby GreekDesert » Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:33 pm

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Re: Nolina matapensis

Post Number:#3  Postby Paul S » Wed Jan 08, 2014 4:19 am

Lovely.

I find Nolina matapensis to be a little bit of a puzzle. I was searching for images of it a while back and, broadly, they split into two different looking plants. One is like this with a dense crown of narrow, drooping, blue-ish leaves. It seems to form short-trunked plants with multiple heads in time. The other has shorter, wider, more rigid, greener leaves with an open crown. Taller trunked, sparsely branched. Yet both purportedly Nolina matapensis, grown from seed collected from habitat.

Given the lack of work generally on Nolina it raises the possibility (probability?) to me that there is more than one trunked nolina out there in Sonora, but no-one has identified them accurately. I can imagine the thought processes - 'Oh look, there's a trunked nolina - must be matapensis as literature says that is the trunked species for here' For sure almost everywhere I have traveled in Mexico I've seen nolinas, trunked and stemless, and some don't conform to anything in literature - either new species or known species outside of their observed range. Same with Dasylirion.
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Re: Nolina matapensis

Post Number:#4  Postby GreekDesert » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:34 am

I also think that the two genera should be further investigated. There may be at Nolina as well as several varieties like the agave or there are actually still some undiscovered species.
While there is an article about Nolina by F. Hochstätter but I have not bought . See also the studies by other scientists would be important because a single opinion here ranges probably not .

Some Dasylirion are very difficult to distinguish , one of my cedrosanum has green leaves, the other D. cedronsanum has blue leaves.
My D. palmeri is at once a D. cedrosanum and I have three different d berlandieri , of which only one is called D. berlandieri ...

I myself was unfortunately never able to assist in localities of examined plants but i am very interested in other opinions and I try this wonderful forum with my few experiences

Two different Nolina matapensis I have seen in pictures, beautiful and interesting it is natural to see them in real life as you


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Re: Nolina matapensis

Post Number:#5  Postby Geoff » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:20 pm

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this is this plant according to the Huntington Garden folks
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Re: Nolina matapensis

Post Number:#6  Postby Luc » Sun Jun 15, 2014 6:48 am

Nolina matapensis according to the very serious Jardin botanique de la Villa Thuret - Antibes - France

(http://www6.sophia.inra.fr/jardin_thuret/)

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Re: Nolina matapensis

Post Number:#7  Postby JonConga » Wed Jul 27, 2016 10:01 pm

Heavily shaded youngster at Boyce Thompson arboretum, Superior, AZ.
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