What's going on with these echeveria propagates?

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What's going on with these echeveria propagates?

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It might take a minute to figure this photo out. There are 4 agave seedlings in the pot. Disregard them. At 12 o'clock, 3 o'clock, 6 o'clock and 9 o'clock I have 4 Echeveria 'Black Prince' babies that I started from leaf cuttings. One of the original leaves is still visible down at 6 o'clock, along with tiny mutant plants that I've been side eyeing for months now. Ever see this type of stunted growth before? They were all started at the same time.
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One quick question.... did you see Spination anywhere around this container with a can of Raid in his hand? ;)

All joking aside, no clue what is happening but very interesting so I will continue to follow this thread.

One quick clarification- I know you mentioned you started all leaves at the same time but did growth actually start at the same time on all leaves and this was just stunted in development or did the actual growth on this leaf start later than the others even though leaves were all placed at the same time?
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Interesting question, growth on the stunted leaf did start later than the others, and as you can see it still has its parent leaf supporting it. They've had plenty of time to grow normally by now though. They've been that size for months. Honestly I keep waiting for them to wither away and die. This pot lives outside now. I thought for sure that the direct sun would kill the tiny plantlets, but instead they're coloring up a bit.
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Did someone call me? :lol: I have my RAID handy ::wink::

You know, I looked at this thread yesterday, couldn't think of anything worthwhile to explain the different activity of the lagging leaf propagates... but now looking again I think I'm seeing something. Now I'm wondering why I didn't notice it yesterday!

When I look at the normal propagates, nice size, and color.... and then looking at the miniatures, I'm wondering if by chance you wound up with a mutation - variegated plantlets? The larger 'Black Prince' propagates are nice green and purple, but those mini's look a lighter green with yellow. Given they've been in the same container (assumption on my part), with then the same conditions (lighting), I think that is a meaningful distinction. Variegated plants grow much more slowly than their normal counterparts, and that would be a feasible explanation for the difference in size and development. If that's the case (variegated Black Prince), then you have something definitely worthwhile there. D))
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That's a good point, spiny, although I don't really see evidence of it. I'll keep an eye on them and see how long I can keep them going. They are definitely growing, and if nothing else they're interesting.
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Maybe....

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Lol, you have an optimistic imagination. At least now I'm excited to keep it going and see what happens.
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Azuleja wrote:Lol, you have an optimistic imagination. At least now I'm excited to keep it going and see what happens.
lol, imagination is the mother of invention. Errr - something like that. D))
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Progress shot.

They were all started at the same time, January I think, and have been together in this pot since the beginning. I removed the agave seedlings a while back.
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Can really see the growth in the large ones comparing how they are now crowding into the bottom leaf on the sides. Can't see much difference on the cluster growing on the leaf, but they are hanging in there, and still look good. Definitely something up with the color/variegation, and as mentioned previously, a perfect explanation for the extreme difference in growth rate.
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The small cluster feels well rooted but I guess when the leaf withers, we'll see. They take sun without scorching, but I make sure it's just a couple of hours a day.
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A few weeks later and things have progressed backwards. I left the pot in the sun too long on a hot day and also possibly overwatered. A few of the tiny rosettes burned off at the back and there's a rot situation happening on the mother leaf. The clump still feels well rooted but there has been no new growth. Not dead yet!
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As rot set in on the parent leaf, I removed the clump to see if any of the rosettes could be rooted separately. They fell apart into individual leaves in my hands. Over now, but fun while it lasted. The normal plants are fine.
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They definitely were interesting. ::wink::
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Here's an update photo of the three survivors. Kind of cool that 10 months ago each one was a single leaf.
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Azuleja wrote:Here's an update photo of the three survivors. Kind of cool that 10 months ago each one was a single leaf.
Look what I got from a Black prince leaf? Monstrous and looks somewhat variegated apart from the fact that the color is wrong for a BP.
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Next to a BP from the same leaves.
Next to a BP from the same leaves.
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with an yellow baby he he he
with an yellow baby he he he
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I get all kind of weird things from leaves.
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Still not sure what it is. I dont label my leaves.
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and here it is bigger
and here it is bigger
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I cored this agavoides like agave to see what will happen he he he. It gives many babies now.
I cored this agavoides like agave to see what will happen he he he. It gives many babies now.
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A leaf baby 1cm high flowering
A leaf baby 1cm high flowering
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Only my first rainbow leaf is variegated.
Only my first rainbow leaf is variegated.
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Not sure what it is but looks variegated.
Not sure what it is but looks variegated.
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Oh, wonderful Neli! Thank you for sharing your photos. I hope you have better luck keeping them alive than I did. I especially love that bright pink variegated one. Very cool!
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Azuleja wrote:Oh, wonderful Neli! Thank you for sharing your photos. I hope you have better luck keeping them alive than I did. I especially love that bright pink variegated one. Very cool!
The bright pink one is from a rainbow.
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Yes, very nice, and also inspiring. Keep up the good work!
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