Ceiba chodati

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Ceiba chodati

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Ceiba is the name of the genus whch incorporates many species of large tress growing in tropical America, the Caribbean, West Africa and Southeast Asia. Some of these can grow above sixty metres tall. Recently, the Chorisia group has become part of the Ceiba group. Let's start with one of my firm favourites.
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Re: Ceiba chodati

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any idea how this differs from Ceiba insignis? This species is very common in southern California
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Geoff wrote:any idea how this differs from Ceiba insignis? This species is very common in southern California
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Geoff, I see C chodati as yellow all over, sometimes leaning to cream. But I see C insignis as white with a yellow centre. i am aware from my times in south Florida, there are lots of hybrids of Ceiba produced which display several ranges of colour. But for this forum I would rather see C insignis as a different specie. Can you move it out of chodati into its own group? The golden rule is the dominant colour dictates where it goes. Jkw

PS. One other point, all the chodati I have come across are small sized trees, the insignis appear to be much bigger specimens.
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not sure that flower color distinction or size will hold up... as C insignis starts out smaller (of course) and takes 50-80 years to get as large as one in photo... and flowers ARE yellow (completely) until starting to fade/die. I just don't have too many photos of the yellow flowers as I had dozens at one time so I failed to get more when I lost all my photos a few years ago. But found a few. Whiter flowers, again, are those dying.... just like the pink flowers tend to fade and discolor as they fall from C speciosa. I am NOT saying these are the same plant... just that I don't have any idea, nor see anything, that makes me understand why they are NOT the same plant.
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Geoff wrote:not sure that flower color distinction or size will hold up... as C insignis starts out smaller (of course) and takes 50-80 years to get as large as one in photo... and flowers ARE yellow (completely) until starting to fade/die. I just don't have too many photos of the yellow flowers as I had dozens at one time so I failed to get more when I lost all my photos a few years ago. But found a few. Whiter flowers, again, are those dying.... just like the pink flowers tend to fade and discolor as they fall from C speciosa. I am NOT saying these are the same plant... just that I don't have any idea, nor see anything, that makes me understand why they are NOT the same plant.
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What I am trying to avoid is that we end up with two names under one specie. Much of the confusion is caused by the internet, which tends to rearrange anything to suit its own ends. I have even seen plants described as C speciosa - white flower. It is important that we make a distinction now. Using a colour code: C speciosa - pink, C chodati - yellow, C insignis - white. Of course, there are a lot of hybrid forms of these plants out there, but we need a system to avoid confusion. Jkw
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only C insignis has yellow flowers... only white when dying. So there has to be some other distinction.
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Geoff wrote:only C insignis has yellow flowers... only white when dying. So there has to be some other distinction.
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Well, perhaps we have Ceiba chodati in California?
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