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Agave mite?

Post Number:#1  Postby Steph115 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:18 pm

Okay guys. I think I may have finally seen the beast in person. This photo demonstrates what I believe could be mite damage - lesions on the underside of the leaves near the core, rusty in character, surrounding grease stains. Surrounding agaves had similar damage. However I have been wrong many times before and would love to be wrong again! Lay it on me y'all.
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Post Number:#2  Postby Gee.S » Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:24 pm

Ouch, you nailed it. Bring any Agaves home from there?
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Post Number:#3  Postby Steph115 » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:13 pm

Yikes! Unfortunately yes - two $5 A. Utahensis (which I believe to be eborispina) seedlings. I quarantined them far away from other plants, but now I figure it may be safest to get rid of them eh? They don't have any visible damage. Prior to your confirmation that this was mites, my plan was to keep them isolated and watch for normal growth / any signs of disease. I don't have anything to use for mite prophylaxis and would like to keep it that way. Especially since I didn't break the bank on these two.
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Post Number:#4  Postby Gee.S » Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:50 pm

If the utahensis were far enough away at the nursery, they might be OK, but it's a bit chancy. You know, I recently found something on Amazon that might be perfect for this situation. A 2-oz spray can of Pylon translaminar miticide @ $22/free ship. Keep the utahensis isolated, spray with Pylon a couple times, then see if the plants are growing come spring. My experience is that utahensis succumb to mite exposure very quickly, so you won't have to wait long.

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Post Number:#5  Postby Steph115 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:59 am

Thanks so much for the tips / link to the míticide. They are super tiny (2-inch pots) so I'm sure you're right that their demise would be particularly quick.

I got some other non-agaves from this nursery and it made me wonder: while agave mires don't infect other plants, can they be carried for short periods on other plants? I'm wondering how long/if I need to isolate my aloe seedlings.
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Post Number:#6  Postby Gee.S » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:08 am

Yes, very quick. So we're talking about the chance that tiny utahensis picked up mites but are not yet symptomatic. Certainly possible, but unlikely.

Your guess is every bit as good as mine on that score. Unless the Aloes were within a few feet, I wouldn't be too concerned. But that's just me...
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Post Number:#7  Postby Brooksphilly » Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:17 am

Steph, I found mite damage recently on a chiapensis. Found a seller for 1 oz portions of Forbid. ($25 included shipping and syringe and gloves). Sprayed all my agaves for peace of mind and destroyed the chiapensis. The eBay seller provided Great service and product. Highly recommend. Sorry, I don't have a link here but he is from CA--only one at $25 for what I described. I only have 30 or so agaves so 1 oz will likely supply me for many years to come as (hopefully) a preventative.
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Post Number:#8  Postby Steph115 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:03 pm

Sorry to hear that Brooks. It sounds like you caught it early & took every precaution, so I hope you get those little buggers eradicated successfully. I already purchased the Pylon that Gee suggested. It should get here within the week.
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Post Number:#9  Postby Gee.S » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:00 pm

Dunno if you've had any experience with translaminars, but use it sparingly. Ideal is complete, but thin coverage on only one leaf side. Too much product can actually fuse forming leaves together in the core. Don't ask how I know... ::roll::
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Post Number:#10  Postby Viegener » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:39 pm

Agave mites do not infect aloes, and vice-versa. Different species.
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Post Number:#11  Postby Steph115 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 4:11 am

Hey Vieg - my initial question was about the aloes being unaffected carriers of agave mite rather than affected themselves. I'm wondering how long the pests can live without their host. From what I've read they are transmitted primarily by wind. Presumably, it takes them at least a tiny amount of time in the air and then some time to set up shop before they start chowing down on other agaves. I'm wondering if soil itself or other plants can serve as carriers for mites.
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Post Number:#12  Postby Gee.S » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:40 pm

Brooksphilly wrote:Steph, I found mite damage recently on a chiapensis. Found a seller for 1 oz portions of Forbid. ($25 included shipping and syringe and gloves). Sprayed all my agaves for peace of mind and destroyed the chiapensis. The eBay seller provided Great service and product. Highly recommend. Sorry, I don't have a link here but he is from CA--only one at $25 for what I described. I only have 30 or so agaves so 1 oz will likely supply me for many years to come as (hopefully) a preventative.

I've been thinking about this, and remain extremely wary of eBay sellers. An 8 oz. bottle of Forbid can be had for around $200. So how can someone sell 1 oz for $25 and throw in "shipping and syringe and gloves"? Seriously, howzat work?
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Post Number:#13  Postby toditd » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:49 pm

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Brooksphilly wrote:Steph, I found mite damage recently on a chiapensis. Found a seller for 1 oz portions of Forbid. ($25 included shipping and syringe and gloves). Sprayed all my agaves for peace of mind and destroyed the chiapensis. The eBay seller provided Great service and product. Highly recommend. Sorry, I don't have a link here but he is from CA--only one at $25 for what I described. I only have 30 or so agaves so 1 oz will likely supply me for many years to come as (hopefully) a preventative.

I've been thinking about this, and remain extremely wary of eBay sellers. An 8 oz. bottle of Forbid can be had for around $200. So how can someone sell 1 oz for $25 and throw in "shipping and syringe and gloves"? Seriously, howzat work?

I too was extremely leary of sellers with their 1 oz bottles. And not just for the "economic" reasons you mention. As far as I was able to determine an 8 oz bottle is the smallest size put out by the manufacturer. Therefore, anything smaller than that is put into a non-original bottle, most likely without proper labeling and without the manufacturer's all too important instructions, warnings, and safety data sheet, etc. (Is that legal?) Some of these sellers say that you are buying the pipette and the real product you are after is a just a free sample. To me, it just doesn't seem legit!
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Post Number:#14  Postby Melt in the Sun » Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:51 pm

I'm pretty sure it's not legal, but I guess it's too "small fry" a crime to warrant much attention. I have ordered the tiny bottles and whatever was in them cleared my plants of mites. It came with instructions, SDS, etc. Your experience may vary, but I have been satisfied!
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Post Number:#15  Postby Gee.S » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:00 pm

Well, I saw one eBay seller offering 0.5 oz for $33 or some such. That may be legit, in that you might actually receive the amount and product claimed.

But the deal I referenced above is an obvious scam. Product is either diluted or a different product altogether.

Then there's this: Forbid 4F
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Post Number:#16  Postby Agavemonger » Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:59 am

Notice that someone changed the amount on the bottle from 8 ounces to 1 ounce. You won't get the original "1-ounce" bottle, that's for sure! ::roll:: :lol:

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