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Here's an updated look at the A. parvula S X A. 'Sunrise' P hybrid pictured up there in post 3.
And here's one of my Aloe descoingsii S X Aloe 'Salt' P hybrids - getting bigger too
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Very nice seedlings Spiney! Wondering if A. pavula dominates because most modern hybrids have it in them? I like the form on your Salt seedlings as well.
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Thank you very much. Those are good questions. Did parvula have a seemingly large influence because of genes previously contributed to hybrids (although I don't know for fact if parvula is actually in the mix with Aloe 'Sunrise'), or is it because the genes for the bumps are dominant? With 'Salt', I know (or at least believe) that descoingsii is already in it's gene pool, so breeding 'Salt' back to one of it's gene contributors should have even more so fixed that form, without too much minimizing the characteristics (the texture) I'm looking for. One of my goals is to create a super bumpy aloe, an extreme next-level of texture, and it would appear that at least some of these cultivars are self-infertile. 'Salt' appears to be problematic as a seed parent from my experiences with it to date, and it appears that crossing one 'Salt' to another one yields zero success. In theory, if it could produce seed from itself, being that it is a hybrid, I should be able to tease out more of the characteristics through variability in a resulting grex, and selection, and future breeding. i.e. - select the most bumpy, textured offspring, and further breed them to get even more so, and so on. By breeding back to descoingsii, I am in effect, looking to do through a back channel what it appears I can not do directly. Perhaps I can select the most desirable offspring (according to what it is I find pleasing and look to achieve), and then breed them back to the hybrid, and hope to move forward that way. I need to get my bumpiest seedlings of that cross blooming, perhaps try to breed them back to the hybrid parent, and even to each other (if it works), and hope for the best. Also, I have other hybrids that are similar, but different, and try to take advantage of them by breeding them to each other as the opportunities present themselves. For the time being, I've decided not to go the pollen freezing route, which is limiting, but since I have a pretty good representation of hybrids I find personally quite appealing, and that there's stuff blooming all the time, I have plenty to work with anyway.
It all takes time, and I guess some measure of luck in addition. The descoingsii X Salt seedling above has been showing it's texture more and more as it's been growing, so I'm not sure if it won't yet "improve" further from here. By the time it flowers (1 more year?), it should reveal it's final look and feature it's host of characteristics in full. I really feel like I'm only getting started, and years to go to really achieve some more unique and interesting cultivars of my own. In the meantime, I'm having more and more fun with it though.
It all takes time, and I guess some measure of luck in addition. The descoingsii X Salt seedling above has been showing it's texture more and more as it's been growing, so I'm not sure if it won't yet "improve" further from here. By the time it flowers (1 more year?), it should reveal it's final look and feature it's host of characteristics in full. I really feel like I'm only getting started, and years to go to really achieve some more unique and interesting cultivars of my own. In the meantime, I'm having more and more fun with it though.
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In the spirit of that line of thought, I'm also very interesting in discovering for myself through trial and error, and numerous crosses, what features and characteristics are relatively dominant, and which not so much, and attempting to eventually capitalize on that knowledge.Woodlily74 wrote: Wondering if A. pavula dominates because most modern hybrids have it in them?
Here is another hybrid, the subject of post #9, and progress to date. These have experienced a recent burst of growth, and have at the same time differentiated further from their more nondescript beginnings, to their more telling eventual future form and bundle of characteristics. Of much interest to me is the variance among individuals. At first, they seemed to take more after the seed parent (Aloe 'Fang'), but now they are illustrating in form that they are also now very reminiscent of the pollen parent (A. imolatensis - which I mistakenly thought was A. laeta previously). Most now feature wider leaves, most featuring the green color of pollen parent, a couple showing some color more like the seed parent. A few with spots (Fang), some not. One outlier has skinny leaves. All seem to feature the teeth/marginals of the hybrid parent.
One batch, the more developed and earlier potted of the bunch. And 4 close ups of types among them
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Here's how my seedlings are doing this year:-
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No, these came from Seeds For Africa - https://www.seedsforafrica.co.za/collec ... lent-seeds" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Unfortunately they don't sell to Europe now but I have a friend in South Africa who bought them for me.
Unfortunately they don't sell to Europe now but I have a friend in South Africa who bought them for me.
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I'm glad Seeds for Africa has done well by you - I was eyeing a few species on there but couldn't find any reviews!
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I looked over their web presence but gave it up when I saw that there's no shipping outside S.A. Without a contact in S.A. to get seeds on your behalf, and then mail them to you, there's no way to get the seeds.
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Here they are pricked out into a tray. I have 3 different grass Aloe seedlings so the trick seems to be to get enough growth into them before they die down for winter otherwise they may not reappear next spring. I think I'll be OK with myriacantha and boylei but modesta is pretty small.
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My cross featuring Aloe descoinsii (S) X Aloe 'Salt' (P) has one seedling about to flower for the first time.
From flowers to flowering in 20 months. The parents, and you can see the earliest development of pods on the descoingsii flowers from which the subsequent seedlings came. seedling today - just noticed today the flowering starting out
From flowers to flowering in 20 months. The parents, and you can see the earliest development of pods on the descoingsii flowers from which the subsequent seedlings came. seedling today - just noticed today the flowering starting out
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Wow, spiny these are doing really well for you! I love following your creations, gorgeous- congrats!
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Thank you for the kind words. Out of that cross, that for whatever reason was the quickest growing one. Maybe it got the best care (more water), or the best location (best lighting), or maybe the best genes, or maybe the others are runts. Anyway, fun to have it blooming and hopefully I'll have something else I like to cross it with. Initially, I was unable to cross two 'Salt' together, so my thinking was to see if I could get seed pods by crossing it with one of the major contributors in it's gene pool (descoingsii), and then cross the result back to 'Salt'. By inbreeding, I was hoping to come up with something more "salty", with a little luck and selection. As luck would have it, one of my 'Salt' looks to be in near perfect synchronicity in terms of flowering, so...
Anyway, looks good on paper, all I can do it give a try and see what happens.
Potential future cross. Results to be determined....
Anyway, looks good on paper, all I can do it give a try and see what happens.
Potential future cross. Results to be determined....
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Not a whole lot to see yet, but these other new seedlings getting bigger. Another mixing of Dick Wright hybrid aloe genes. Seed pods generated earlier this year.
Seed parent Pollen parent Early returns
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Aloe inexpectata seedlings (hybrid) progress
Aloe inexpectata in the back - clearly distichous, but seedlings are not. Also, they're quite similar in overall appearance, but also different. I like them though...
Aloe inexpectata in the back - clearly distichous, but seedlings are not. Also, they're quite similar in overall appearance, but also different. I like them though...
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Here's another one of your seedlings. It's been living outside, doing great.
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Woody, just because it's been gnawing away at me all this time, and because I felt like torturing myself by looking at those possibly available hybrids once again, I sent an email to TCT to inquire about whether they take Paypal or not. If they do, I will probably try to acquire some of those outrageously beautiful hybrids. If it's that bank wire crap I read, forget it, definitely not doing that.Woodlily74 wrote:Impressive aloe seedlings from TCT Hybrids Thiland at http://www.pantown.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; just amazing photos.
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So exciting!
1 single seed pod on Aloe 'Wiley Coyotee' ------> 7 seeds total. Thought I saw a promising development in the last couple of days, now I'm sure. 3 germination so far.
Yup, 3 germinations = Happy Face Dark Shadows seedlings cruising along Early returns From this Down the pipeline - seed pods under construction. Aloe Salt S X Aloe Lil Gator P A future cross? And more seeds under construction better look at the seed parent And pollen courtesy of this...
1 single seed pod on Aloe 'Wiley Coyotee' ------> 7 seeds total. Thought I saw a promising development in the last couple of days, now I'm sure. 3 germination so far.
Yup, 3 germinations = Happy Face Dark Shadows seedlings cruising along Early returns From this Down the pipeline - seed pods under construction. Aloe Salt S X Aloe Lil Gator P A future cross? And more seeds under construction better look at the seed parent And pollen courtesy of this...
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So, this would be funny.
Aloe Dark Shadows (with a couple of Oiks blooming) crossed with Aloe Dracula's Blood Would the seedlings have fangs, and would they need to be grown in a coffin?
I was joking but after further consideration - maybe interesting?
closer looks - they're so different, I wonder what characteristics would prevail in the progeny?
Aloe Dark Shadows (with a couple of Oiks blooming) crossed with Aloe Dracula's Blood Would the seedlings have fangs, and would they need to be grown in a coffin?
I was joking but after further consideration - maybe interesting?
closer looks - they're so different, I wonder what characteristics would prevail in the progeny?
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Keep at it Tom. You have certainly found the right formula to hybridise and propagate. The results say it all. Jkw
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Nice work! Does Dracula's Blood look similar to Kelly's Blue or is it just me? I eventually hope to ID this guy and those two are in the running.
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Azul, I don't think that is Kelly's Blue (but it is a pretty plant!) - but I have it on good authority you will have one quite soon.
Here's a preview of something coming your way...
This is the mother plant - usually more aqua blue, but I had it out in the sun recently to see what would happen... And this is the sister pup to yours, which was right next to this one a couple of days ago. Winston, thanks. Encouragement always appreciated.
Here's a preview of something coming your way...
This is the mother plant - usually more aqua blue, but I had it out in the sun recently to see what would happen... And this is the sister pup to yours, which was right next to this one a couple of days ago. Winston, thanks. Encouragement always appreciated.
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