This is the plant that was initially sold as Agave species Santiago Lachiguiri. Quite an attractive plant that loves cliffs, hence the name cremnophila for cliff-loving. Thank you Jeff Chemnick for the name suggestion.Minime8484 wrote:Another to add to the ever-expanding Striatae group: Agave cremnophila from Oaxaca.
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So are you an AgaveKiller too?Melt in the Sun wrote:Hey, I've already had and killed this one! I'm so proud!
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This one had generated long conversations at the time, it is strange that we can't find further informations now it is properly named. CSSA journal is the only to talk about this species ?
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The CSSA journal is where I submitted the description for the species.Luc wrote:This one had generated long conversations at the time, it is strange that we can't find further informations now it is properly named. CSSA journal is the only to talk about this species ?
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I'd like to suggest a couple spelling corrections to the Hiemiflorae group in post 1:
* The group name should be "Hiemiflorae" not "Heimiflorae".
* The species name should be "A. hiemiflora" not "A. hiemiflorae".
* The group name should be "Hiemiflorae" not "Heimiflorae".
* The species name should be "A. hiemiflora" not "A. hiemiflorae".
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The latest Agave to be added to the list is from the Polycephalae:
Agave maria-patriciae (http://dx.doi.org/10.11646/phytotaxa.360.3.6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Agave maria-patriciae (http://dx.doi.org/10.11646/phytotaxa.360.3.6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
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I was looking for the Pablocarrilloi in the groupings and say it not....
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Agave pablocarrilloi is in the Marmoratae group. As part of the Agave Gypsophila complex it was split out of Agave gypsophila and given its own species status a few years ago.gdlwyverex wrote:I was looking for the Pablocarrilloi in the groupings and say it not....
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The latest from the Marginatae to be added to the list:
Agave oteroi (2019)
Agave garciaruizii (2019)
Agave oteroi (2019)
Agave garciaruizii (2019)
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Could you explain some names of the Groups or their characters: Amolae, Choritepalae, Ditepalae, Salmianae, Vicinae, Intermediae?
How to distinguish Antillanae and Antillares ?
Does Conicae mean conical flowers?
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How to distinguish Antillanae and Antillares ?
Does Conicae mean conical flowers?
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I can address Intermediae and Conicae because I coined those names, and a couple others.
Intermediae was formed to accommodate A. azurea and A. vizcainoensis, two species who characteristics are intermediate between species in the Deserticolae and the Umbelliflorae.
Conicae was formed to combine A. gigantensis, A. avellanidens, A. moranii, and A. turneri into their own section based on the conical inflorescence.
Species in the Choritepalae have free tepal lobes that arise from a disc instead of from a fused tube. Chori is Greek for separate.
Species in the Ditepalae are supposed to have dimorphic, or unequal, tepals.
The group Salmianae was named for the type species, A. salmiana.
I would not get too attached to Gentry's concept of "groups" because Thiede, Smith, and Eggli are working on a more formal infrageneric classification utilizing section names some of which predate Gentry's informal "group" names. For example, Gentry's Marginatae is more correctly referred to as section Heteracanthae, a name that was used before Gentry's "group" name.
Intermediae was formed to accommodate A. azurea and A. vizcainoensis, two species who characteristics are intermediate between species in the Deserticolae and the Umbelliflorae.
Conicae was formed to combine A. gigantensis, A. avellanidens, A. moranii, and A. turneri into their own section based on the conical inflorescence.
Species in the Choritepalae have free tepal lobes that arise from a disc instead of from a fused tube. Chori is Greek for separate.
Species in the Ditepalae are supposed to have dimorphic, or unequal, tepals.
The group Salmianae was named for the type species, A. salmiana.
I would not get too attached to Gentry's concept of "groups" because Thiede, Smith, and Eggli are working on a more formal infrageneric classification utilizing section names some of which predate Gentry's informal "group" names. For example, Gentry's Marginatae is more correctly referred to as section Heteracanthae, a name that was used before Gentry's "group" name.
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Thank you, Greg! I am your fan! Last year, I bought the only one book 'Agaves' on Chinese websites and learnt a lot!
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1482577/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
According to this article, the relationships of many Agave species are not like the sections listed, my thoughts are so confused...
Which is better for Agave gardening? Morphological taxonomy or experimental taxonomy?
According to this article, the relationships of many Agave species are not like the sections listed, my thoughts are so confused...
Which is better for Agave gardening? Morphological taxonomy or experimental taxonomy?
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Many thanks for this post.
Agave muxii should be added to the Choritepalae
https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/ ... _rfWMi84DY
Agave muxii should be added to the Choritepalae
https://link.springer.com/epdf/10.1007/ ... _rfWMi84DY
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Yet another new agave described this Summer:
Agave garciamartinezii
- LACANDONIA, año 15, vol. 15, núm. 1: 13-22, enero-junio de 2021
Related to Agave pendula
Agave garciamartinezii
- LACANDONIA, año 15, vol. 15, núm. 1: 13-22, enero-junio de 2021
Related to Agave pendula
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The parade of new agaves continues....
Agave guadarramae
- Revista Mexicana de Biodiversidad 92 (2021): e923726
Related to A. calderonii (formerly A. parvidentata) and A. pachycentra
Agave guadarramae
- Revista Mexicana de Biodiversidad 92 (2021): e923726
Related to A. calderonii (formerly A. parvidentata) and A. pachycentra
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In which group does A. Elemeetiana occur? It doesn't seem to be in the list
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As shown in the list, A. ellemeetiana is in Littaea / Choritepalae.gdlwyverex wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:29 pm In which group does A. Elemeetiana occur? It doesn't seem to be in the list
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Agave cryptica (CSSA Journal 2021. 93(4)) can be added to the Striatae.
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Done!Minime8484 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:13 pm Agave cryptica (CSSA Journal 2021. 93(4)) can be added to the Striatae.
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"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
"American aloe plant," 1797, from Greek Agaue, proper name in mythology (mother of Pentheus), from agauos "noble," perhaps from agasthai "wonder at".
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